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Students fight back over course taught by AI

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Re: Students fight back over course taught by AI

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post #128

I just had a pretty amazing 4 hour session with gpt 5.1 going over my son's rare disease. Chat broke it all down for me in a really deep and clear way in the back and forth. Insights I've never gotten to from talking to docs, reading papers, reading bio textbooks etc. I guess some small percentage of it was hallucinated, but if you want to call it a teacher/student relationship, it was pretty amazing.

As long as we're reciting unrelated anecdotes to attempt emotional appeal over anything of substance, "Chat" has also driven young children to suicide. No one in their lives would have paid as much detail into reaffirming every negative thought pattern they had until they ended their own lives as much as an emotionless token predictor LLM running 24/7. They got their nihilism and idealization pushed back at them in a…

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Re: Students fight back over course taught by AI

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post #128

I just had a pretty amazing 4 hour session with gpt 5.1 going over my son's rare disease. Chat broke it all down for me in a really deep and clear way in the back and forth. Insights I've never gotten to from talking to docs, reading papers, reading bio textbooks etc. I guess some small percentage of it was hallucinated, but if you want to call it a teacher/student relationship, it was pretty amazing.

As long as we're reciting unrelated anecdotes to attempt emotional appeal over anything of substance, "Chat" has also driven young children to suicide. No one in their lives would have paid as much detail into reaffirming every negative thought pattern they had until they ended their own lives as much as an emotionless token predictor LLM running 24/7. They got their nihilism and idealization pushed back at them in a…

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Re: Students fight back over course taught by AI

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post #65

That's the Baumol effect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baumol_effect 1) Two-Sector Economy: In Baumol and Bowen's observations, the economy is divided into two parts: - A Progressive Sector: Productivity grows rapidly due to technology and automation (e.g., manufacturing, data processing). - A Stagnant Sector: Productivity grows slowly, if at all, because the service is labor-intensive (e.g., a string quartet perfor…

In this specific case the university was in the UK.

Re: Students fight back over course taught by AI

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post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of which exist without making sure the organization isa bout sufficient cashflow from government, students, and industry. I shouldn't say it so simply, it might result in attempts to convolute it to distract from the fact that bureaucracies serve to maintain revenue/income and grow it.

There's a big difference between "the organization needs to maintain a sufficient cashflow" and "the organization is primarily concerned with its financial status, at the expense of its putative mission".

That sounds about right.

The only thing I’d add is there are too many institutions obsessed with growth (new buildings to name and dedicate) which means growing cashflow.

Re: Students fight back over course taught by AI

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post #86

Speaking as an instructor, everyone's goal should be to be better than the LLM. This includes teachers. And, yes, that requires work, but that's what we're getting paid for, and it's not particularly difficult to best an LLM in any field. If you can't do it better than an LLM, you have no more value than one to an employer. In short, it's shameful to provide a paid primarily-LLM-based product. People can just make th…

It is crazy to me the amount of people who are auto-completing through their education. "I don't need to learn how to code, the ai will do it for me" etc. If the only value you provide is pressing [ok] on content you don't understand, why do you think someone won't replace you with a bot? To me it's like going to pilot's school and saying you'll just have your copilot fly the plane for you.

I tell the students up front that AI is capable of solving all the problems we give them as undergrads. But I elaborate and tell them that it's because all the problems we give them are easy for software developers with any experience, regardless of how difficult the students find them to be. They're dumbbells designed to help you build muscle. Do you take your robot to the gym to lift the weights for you? Eventually you're going to get to a job interview and they're going to see that you don't have any muscles. And then you'll be 80 grand in debt with no job prospects. You might as well just quit now and buy a Corvette.

I like to think that it has some impact, and yet I know they still use AI.

Re: Students fight back over course taught by AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is crazy to me the amount of people who are auto-completing through their education. "I don't need to learn how to code, the ai will do it for me" etc. If the only value you provide is pressing [ok] on content you don't understand, why do you think someone won't replace you with a bot? To me it's like going to pilot's school and saying you'll just have your copilot fly the plane for you.

I was drawn to engineering by the joy of learning and problem solving. The pain of puzzling over a difficult problem, then the ecstatic release when you figure it out and get it working. I don't understand why someone would want to give that up. It gives meaning to the work.

Pretty much all the experienced devs I know are bored with AI at work. Most of them just turn it off because it's in the way.

I know for some jobs it's a great accelerator, but those jobs tend to be the ones that don't involve a lot of heavy duty problem solving, it seems.

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