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Interactive World History Atlas Since 3000 BC

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Re: Interactive World History Atlas Since 3000 BC

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Post by mg »

tgma wrote: post #134
mg wrote: post #20

I always wanted something like a "History of human progress" which when zoomed out shows me something like this: -2000000 Stone tools -1000000 Using fire -6000 Metal tools -6000 Agriculture -4000 Writing 1550 Printing 1888 Telephones 1888 Cars 1903 Planes 1941 Penicillin 1941 First computer 1982 Homecomputers 1983 Mobile phones 1990 The internet 2001 Wikipedia 2004 Facebook 2007 IPhone 2022 ChatGPT And then I can zoo…

Like this? https://history-timeline.site/

For now it seems to be just a list.

If it had a "significance" attached to each event and a slider one can use to set the significance threshold, then it would be what I mean.

Re: Interactive World History Atlas Since 3000 BC

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Post by Yizahi »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #93
Yizahi wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess something like this - add timelines for every known point (city, landmark, ritual site etc.) connect the dots in the same year with one another, then apply some reasonable territory estimate to round out the resulting blob, correct for visible mistakes manually.

Just for fun, how would you envision this process working for empires that weren't based on territorial control of cities and landmarks like the Mongols, or based on territorial control of land at all like the Hansa?

I guess the same way, based on the known extent of the empire, put some points which they held the same way as cities, and then go from there. More manual work, but the same idea. This is just guessing btw.

Re: Interactive World History Atlas Since 3000 BC

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Post by maratc »

School-Cotton wrote: post #92
maratc wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should Mongolia be striped too? ROC does not officially recognise Mongolia's sovereignty. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ROC_Administrative_a... I'll add that most of the "Internet's supporters of Taiwan independence" not only do not live in Taiwan, they have never even visited there -- if they did, they would know that even most of Taiwan's population consider Taiwan and (mainland) China to be one entity. A…

> most of Taiwan's population consider Taiwan and (mainland) China to be one entity I very much doubt this is true — post a source, if you’ve got one

Speaking of sources, this was just submitted to HN: https://jonathancc.substack.com/p/while-eyes-are-on-takaichi...

This goes along the lines of “how dare they apply a foreigner treatment to a mainlander, this is against the constitution.”

Re: Interactive World History Atlas Since 3000 BC

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Post by hermitcrab »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #76
pell wrote: post #24

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In a grand view removed 1000 years from now the introduction of digital communication and their network effects must have been pivotal though even if it was in a negative way (which very well may be). I just doubt that would then be a point about Facebook specifically as this is just a tiny slice of that era, I think.

We are a tiny slice of history. A thousand years from now we may be hazily recalled as the period that slavery was abolished (edit: sadly enough we probably won't be) , electricity and computers were invented, 3 of the world wars occured, and the first great population explosion and cultural implosion took place. Most electronic information will be lost so our century will be known as the electronic dark ages. All of…

3 world wars?

Re: Interactive World History Atlas Since 3000 BC

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Post by annodomini2019 »

zulko wrote: post #137
annodomini2019 wrote: post #131

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Wow, this is actually so cool. Fantastic idea, I would LOVE something like this in Wikipedia. Nicely done!

Yeah it would be nice if Wikipedia would host it, but it would probably require some more serious ground work so the project fits in the wikipedia ecosystem. Could be a pipeline Wikipedia -> Wikidata -> Atlas. There are many projects that could be done with with wikipedia and LLMs, for instance "equalizing" all languages by translating all pages into all other languages where they are missing. Or, more surgically, fi…

Understandable for not using it to write net-new content from outside sources, but agreed that at some point the translation becomes good enough to bridge all language gaps, where it's simply an obvious call that a translation of the more fully written English article is better than relying on a local writer.

Re: Interactive World History Atlas Since 3000 BC

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Post by lippihom »

zulko wrote: post #36

Total plug but this year I scraped 400,000 wikipedia pages with Gemini to create landnotes.org, an atlas where you can ask "what happened in Japan in 1923": https://landnotes.org/?location=xnd284b0-6&date=1923&strictD... https://github.com/Zulko/landnotes My plan has been to overlay historical map borders on top of it, like the Geacron one from this post, but they all seem to be protected by copyright - and understan…

Wikipedia doesn't have an API?

Re: Interactive World History Atlas Since 3000 BC

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Post by MandieD »

mg wrote: post #20

I always wanted something like a "History of human progress" which when zoomed out shows me something like this: -2000000 Stone tools -1000000 Using fire -6000 Metal tools -6000 Agriculture -4000 Writing 1550 Printing 1888 Telephones 1888 Cars 1903 Planes 1941 Penicillin 1941 First computer 1982 Homecomputers 1983 Mobile phones 1990 The internet 2001 Wikipedia 2004 Facebook 2007 IPhone 2022 ChatGPT And then I can zoo…

Gutenberg was active around 1450, not 1550, and that’s important, because Luther nailing those 95 “theses” (complaints) to the door of that church in 1517 wouldn’t have had nearly the impact it did had there not already been a network of moveable type presses throughout Central Europe for a few decades.

Re: Interactive World History Atlas Since 3000 BC

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Post by hmm37 »

School-Cotton wrote: post #105
maratc wrote: post #104

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I'm not certain what exactly you address as "what was originally claimed," however the world maps in both PRC and ROC show one China, not two, and I'm not certain why it should be a reason to disqualify TLA on the basis that "it fails to portray the current map accurately, by not to (sic) separating PRC and ROC."

> the world maps in both PRC and ROC show one China, not two That is irrelevant. The map is not the territory. They are two countries in reality; that is, they operate as two separate sovereign countries in every practical way, regardless of what legal fictions are maintained for political reasons. This atlas is presumably supposed to be about reality, not about legal fictions. (BTW: North Korea and South Korea offic…

Except for a very important one. Taiwan is not internationally recognized as an independent country by almost all nation-states. And those few that recognize Taiwan (or rather ROC) as a country do not recognize PRC as a country.

You may say that ROC is a de facto separate country, although the constitution doesn't imply necessarily so, but simply that there's a different government.

The fact that the international community and even it's own constitution doesn't recognize it as an independent country shows that it's more than legal fiction and simply that de facto China is still under civil war.

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