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Peter Thiel sells off all Nvidia stock, stirring bubble fears

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Re: Peter Thiel sells off all Nvidia stock, stirring bubble fears

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This is concerning for sure. Looks like we may be getting the trigger for a sell off soon.

It'll come from the other bubble in financial markets, Private Credit. There have been quite a few bankruptcies and problems emerging there, and they're stepping up to be major funders for the AI capex boom.

Re: Peter Thiel sells off all Nvidia stock, stirring bubble fears

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Should we all buy stock in Nvidia now? It’s not like Peter Thiel is Warren Buffet or anything. And Warren Buffett is buying Alphabet.

Warren Buffett is buying Alphabet out of neceessity - he already sold most of what he could sell and has way too much cash on hand - he just need to buy 'something' - Alphabet seems like the least overvalued big stock out there.

Berkshire is sitting on nearly $350 billion in cash. One of the ratio's that Buffet uses to measure overvaluation, Wilshire 2000 Market Cap as a % of GDP is at an all time, 220%. Its usually a good indicator of a market top. He's making a few small investments, but he's just waiting until there's more of sell off before heading back in. He's under no pressure to buy anything.

Re: Peter Thiel sells off all Nvidia stock, stirring bubble fears

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First it was Softbank and now its Thiel. Major sales coming from two of the ultimate tech insiders is probably a very good sell signal. Whether or not its the top is another question. Markets as we know can go higher longer than we think, Michael Burry shut down his hedge fund because he may have started shorting too soon. One of the funds that Meta were working with to finance their spending on AI, Blue Owl, had to…

didn't softbank sell only to invest more into other ai investments?

I thought I read specifically with the intention of putting it into OpenAI directly, but yes they said they wanted to “pursue other ventures in the area of AI”.

Re: Peter Thiel sells off all Nvidia stock, stirring bubble fears

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Nvidia has a target on its back right now. It's priced like it's the only game in town, but AMD, Google, Meta and Intel have varying degrees of competing chips for AI use.

> Meta and Intel ?

Meta: https://ai.meta.com/blog/next-generation-meta-training-infer...

They don't sell it, but they could if Nvidia started charging too much, and some of these are going into Meta datacenters instead of Nvidia.

Intel makes the Arc. It's probably the least viable competitor in that list, but the fundamentals are there, so some about of focus and investment could result in a viable competitor.

Re: Peter Thiel sells off all Nvidia stock, stirring bubble fears

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post #136

First it was Softbank and now its Thiel. Major sales coming from two of the ultimate tech insiders is probably a very good sell signal. Whether or not its the top is another question. Markets as we know can go higher longer than we think, Michael Burry shut down his hedge fund because he may have started shorting too soon. One of the funds that Meta were working with to finance their spending on AI, Blue Owl, had to…

didn't softbank sell only to invest more into other ai investments?

Yes, but whether they will remains to be seen. They needed a reason to sell out without it looking like they were selling out at the top.

Re: Peter Thiel sells off all Nvidia stock, stirring bubble fears

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sort of crash is what central banks exist to protect against. That could be something like the Fed stepping in as a buyer of last resort and picking up several trillion dollars of equity, and/or pushing rates to zero again to incentivize private capital to more or less do the same. A global crash of financial systems is unlikely because it’s cause too much pain for everyone. It unfortunately means we plebs are l…

I rather suspect that in the current economic climate, a trillion dollar bailout of Big Tech would very quickly translate to riots in the streets.

Frankly, I would be happy if riots in the streets happen (if there is a bailout of Big Tech in the first place). What's going on recently with OpenAI publicly, and probably most of the 'AI' players not publicly, is disgusting - it's a bubble, everyone and their mother knows it, and these guys try to save their asses by asking for governement backing before the bubble even pops. Privatize gains, socialize losses...

It's a shame that no more bankers went to jail after 2008, although I find the situation was much more complicated than here.

Re: Peter Thiel sells off all Nvidia stock, stirring bubble fears

#150

I think people like Peter Thiel has the insider view of the whole sector, so I would not discount this just because I don’t align with him on political stuffs. But again we never know his real positions.

I agree that it's very difficult to fully understand what his real positions are, and interestingly I think he clearly wants that to be the case. Peter Thiel is interested in and has actually written extensively about Straussianism which is an intellectual movement obsessed with analyzing esoteric meanings in philosophical literature.

Reading his recent "Greta Thunberg Is The Antichrist" stuff leads me to believe the Peter Thiel:

- Is deeply unscientific, coming across as a highfalutin paranoid QAnon; and

- Has zero self-awareness

That said, he has plenty of money and connections, so moves like these are likely well justified.

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