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Report: Tim Cook could step down as Apple CEO 'as soon as next year'

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Re: Report: Tim Cook could step down as Apple CEO 'as soon as next year'

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Post by makeitdouble »

mvkel wrote: post #123

Be careful what you wish for. Satya Nadella is by most accounts the best person to lead Microsoft, currently the largest software company in the world. "The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste," said Steve Jobs. That largely remains true. Jobs called the computer "a bicycle for the mind." It immediately evokes a sense of freedom, magic, and fun. Satya Nadella calls AI "a cognitive amplifier," which…

> Jobs called the computer "a bicycle for the mind." It immediately evokes a sense of freedom, magic, and fun.

The funniest part to me: I can't imagine Jobs on a bicycle. Perhaps when he was a small kid, but as far as I know he was notoriously on the jerky side of strongly motorized vehicles.

Which could perfectly align with his vision of the iPod and iPhone as powerful, but closed and restrictive and expensive ecosystems, replacing computers.

> no matter who leads

Then only the next CEO will have a chance to reinject taste into Apple, so it needs to happen at the same time.

Re: Report: Tim Cook could step down as Apple CEO 'as soon as next year'

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Post by stickfigure »

steve-atx-7600 wrote: post #59
welks wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If he hadn't tried to self-treat his cancer with acupuncture, fruit juice and herbs, he'd probably be around now to do that. The man was clearly a lucky idiot, and shouldn't be revered, but used as a cautionary tale of unbridled arrogance.

A person should be judged by a stupid decision they made? I hope you never did anything that wasn't rational.

Stupid decisions that result in fatalities deserve extra judgement.

Re: Report: Tim Cook could step down as Apple CEO 'as soon as next year'

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Post by rootusrootus »

steve-atx-7600 wrote: post #59
welks wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If he hadn't tried to self-treat his cancer with acupuncture, fruit juice and herbs, he'd probably be around now to do that. The man was clearly a lucky idiot, and shouldn't be revered, but used as a cautionary tale of unbridled arrogance.

A person should be judged by a stupid decision they made? I hope you never did anything that wasn't rational.

Especially when it comes to life threatening illnesses like cancer. I've seen more than one entirely normal, rational person start grasping at off the wall solutions when faced with the imminent end of their life.

Re: Report: Tim Cook could step down as Apple CEO 'as soon as next year'

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Post by buzzerbetrayed »

bitpush wrote: post #108
hellcow wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vision Pro is a perfect example of a greed-driven failure. Apple pissed off both devs and megacorps by keeping the ecosystem closed, fighting tooth and nail in courts such that every app needed to pay them 30% and couldn't be installed without their blessing, and unsurprisingly very few massive companies (or hackers) wanted to support Apple's fledgling closed garden. Without software, it's just a gadget.

> Apple pissed off both devs and megacorps by keeping the ecosystem closed This was so incredible to see play out in real time. You know where else this is happening now? Car makers and CarPlay. CarPlay might be objectively better but car makers are giving them the boot, for very good reason. Apple overplayed their hand (or as you say, was incredibly greedy) and now they get to live with the consequences.

> for very good reason.

The reasons are subscription revenue and user data. Not sure which of those you consider very good.

Re: Report: Tim Cook could step down as Apple CEO 'as soon as next year'

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Post by qmr »

verelo wrote: post #43
ryandrake wrote: post #13

Cook's been great for massively scaling Apple (and its stock price) up, but the art, vision, and soul of the company is gone. It's just a stock price maximizing lawnmower now, just like every other corporate stock price maximizing lawnmower. If that's what shareholders want, fine, I guess. But I'd be bored just manufacturing the same boring rectangles every year. I think Steve would have been, too.

You forget, the camera gets better every year! I've had an iphone for 15 years. I mean, it's fine...i just wish there was incentive for durability and sustainability v's replace it every 12-24 months. I guess sustainability concerns at Apple ends at ensuring their stock price is sustainable.

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Re: Report: Tim Cook could step down as Apple CEO 'as soon as next year'

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Post by buzzerbetrayed »

bitpush wrote: post #134
pbh101 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla announced they are adding it this week. Ford’s CEO expressed glee at GM removing it. There isn’t a CarPlay App Store nor downloads to get 30% from (or if there were, they’d appreciably be enabled by Apple’s platform as we aren’t in the habit of subscribing to or buying apps for our car today), and while we don’t know the licensing terms from the GM removal it sounded like privacy violations and extra subscripti…

Tesla's news is interesting. A good question to ask in this who's in control in Tesla x CarPlay relationship. The answer is obviously former (Apple can't dictate anything and Tesla gets to boss around). That's very different from a Toyota x Apple partnership. So no, those are two different scenarios. The era of Apple controlling the platform is gone. (Except for legacy ones)

How is the Tesla relationship with CarPlay different than the Toyota one? You didn’t make that clear at all.

Re: Report: Tim Cook could step down as Apple CEO 'as soon as next year'

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Post by linguae »

cortesoft wrote: post #109
lbourdages wrote: post #40

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Well, the current hardware is solid - great build quality, powerful, insane battery life. However, software-wise, the peak was 10.6. There hasn't been the same level of quality ever since.

Peak was System 7!

From a UI standpoint, I agree. There’s nothing like the classic Mac interface and its associated Apple Human Interface Guidelines for GUI software. I love Jobs-era Mac OS X, but the classic Mac and its ecosystem of applications were something special.

However, when it comes to UX, stability is a major component, and this is where Mac OS X is vastly superior to cooperative multitasking, lack-of-memory-protection Mac OS 9 and below. I prefer the classic Mac UI, but Mac OS X had a better UX.

Re: Report: Tim Cook could step down as Apple CEO 'as soon as next year'

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Post by cc101 »

Cook saved Job's Apple? Hardly. Every aspect of today's iPhone violates what Job's stood for. Craig Federighi began his tenure by advertising 200 new features for the new version of iOS. Shortly later he did the same for the Mac. Feature bloat has been Federighi's prime focus. My iPhone is so packed with irrelevancies that is hard to use.

Re: Report: Tim Cook could step down as Apple CEO 'as soon as next year'

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Post by bitpush »

rootusrootus wrote: post #136
bitpush wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple pissed off both devs and megacorps by keeping the ecosystem closed This was so incredible to see play out in real time. You know where else this is happening now? Car makers and CarPlay. CarPlay might be objectively better but car makers are giving them the boot, for very good reason. Apple overplayed their hand (or as you say, was incredibly greedy) and now they get to live with the consequences.

Huh? Apple does not charge for CarPlay. Some automakers are trying to give them the boot, but that has nothing to do with Apple's greed and everything to do with the automakers' greed. They want their own ecosystem of apps.

> Huh? Apple does not charge for CarPlay.

I'll let you in on a secret. Ask yourself what the business case of CarPlay is. "Why" should Apple do CarPlay. Put yourself in the shoes of a VP at Apple pitching CarPlay. Are they saying "let's invest millions of dollars in inventing the UI for cars and give it away for free, for .. goodwill?"

Nope, the slide deck would say 'Cars are the next computing platform. That's where most people spend time. So imagine is we (Apple) were meaningful present there .. and that's why we need to invest in it'

So, yes CarPlay is a move to control another computing formfactor. One they do not manufacturer (like tv and Apple TV) ...and unfortunately for them, car makers are wiser this time around.

Re: Report: Tim Cook could step down as Apple CEO 'as soon as next year'

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Post by csomar »

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #139
ryandrake wrote: post #13

Cook's been great for massively scaling Apple (and its stock price) up, but the art, vision, and soul of the company is gone. It's just a stock price maximizing lawnmower now, just like every other corporate stock price maximizing lawnmower. If that's what shareholders want, fine, I guess. But I'd be bored just manufacturing the same boring rectangles every year. I think Steve would have been, too.

Cook's Apple got you: - Apple Watch - Airpods (& Pro) & Beats - Apple Silicon - Vision Pro

Vision Pro is underrated. The issue is that it’s not at a stage where it can go mainstream but the tech is insane. Apple silicon is huge and the only reason I am considering a macbook pro and waiting for the M5 max/pro series.

I think people are underestimating cook because none of these replaced the iPhone and because of the significant degradation in Apple software.

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