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Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Both Nokia (Finland) and Ericsson (Sweden) are great european alternatives. There is no need to reinvent the wheel in every EU country.

Both Nokia and Ericsson have substantial Blackrock and Vanguard investment.

Blackrock and Vanguard own surprisingly large portions of Rheinmetall, Siemens, Airbus, SAP and other German government/defense/security contractors. If avoiding their investments is the goal, there’s a lot of work to do.

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Better late than never. China has so many anti-Foreigner laws for doing business in China. West has made China rich and powerful in exchange for cheap labour.

And? So what?

Who forced 'the west' to do that? American and European companies lived well this way for decades. Buying from and selling to China has been highly profitable. In fact Germany is doing terribly right now as China is buying LESS than before. So the answer is to do... erm... even less trade?

Trumpian anti-globalist idiocy is growing in people's minds like a brain cancer

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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You don't need a crazy fast connection for most of this automation stuff, because it has to be able to operate offline successfully to start with. Any dark factory should be running on its own wireless network anyway, not some cellular network. Who would do that? Even for a local wireless network, why would a Huawei router be any better? To me, this was never about 5G or 6G. This was always about CCP controlled netwo…

To steelman some of the points youve posted >You don't need a crazy fast connection for most of this automation stuff, because it has to be able to operate offline successfully to start with As i mentioned youre looking at it as a consumer, this is industrial systems.Its not about speed primarily but latency - costs of deployment and maintainance.Your COTS router is not being installed wher million dollar assembly li…

Why don't you steelman your own intial argument?

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Whose sovereignity though? And to replace it with what? As almost all 6G kit builds on 5G kit which is at most 40% Huawei FRAND patented.So whatever the path HW gets paid. As an aside the whole OpenRAN debacle to replcae 5G kit seems to have peterd out after the initial hype. This move also ignores economies of scale - if the rest of the planet is on HW kit lowerig cost even with razor thin margins.The opps Nokia/Eri…

Good attempt comrade. China + Russia + Iran fueling the war with Europe. They openly declare a war on way of living of western world . Sure , build critical infrastructure independently is insane.

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Whose sovereignity though? And to replace it with what? As almost all 6G kit builds on 5G kit which is at most 40% Huawei FRAND patented.So whatever the path HW gets paid. As an aside the whole OpenRAN debacle to replcae 5G kit seems to have peterd out after the initial hype. This move also ignores economies of scale - if the rest of the planet is on HW kit lowerig cost even with razor thin margins.The opps Nokia/Eri…

Good attempt comrade. China + Russia + Iran fueling the war with Europe. They openly declare a war on way of living of western world . Sure , build critical infrastructure independently is insane.

Isn't it the other way around? I mean, I keep seeing western people advertising that the ways of living in those countries are wrong and they must change, while I don't often see anyone urging western countries to change their way of living.

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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They just found kill switches in Chinese buses, so any Chinese network equipment is 100% guaranteed to be backdoored.

Who do you think hacks our hospitals? Who do you think attacks infrastructure? Some kid in Lebanon isn’t going to attack a hospital. We’re at war, everyone knows it but us.

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Good attempt comrade. China + Russia + Iran fueling the war with Europe. They openly declare a war on way of living of western world . Sure , build critical infrastructure independently is insane.

Isn't it the other way around? I mean, I keep seeing western people advertising that the ways of living in those countries are wrong and they must change, while I don't often see anyone urging western countries to change their way of living.

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Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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Better late than never. China has so many anti-Foreigner laws for doing business in China. West has made China rich and powerful in exchange for cheap labour.

Not just for business. All foreigners in China must register their stay with the local police. Large hotels handle the registration automatically through their electronic reporting systems. However, if you’re staying at a friend’s home or another private residence, you need to go to the local police station and register in person.

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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It's difficult to export culture when the receiving cultures don't speak the language, don't share religion, etc. US has a big benefit of being part of the Anglophone world going back to it's founding and more recently with Western European dominance from WW2 where basically everyone there knows some level of English. Also, don't forget China has suffered from great "humiliation" for the last few hundred years and ha…

It is also the way we keep score in America. Kids in America are hopelessly addicted to Tiktok but that doesn't count as a cultural export. Most the items in people's homes are made in China but that doesn't count either. Chinese rappers could be dominating the pop charts and we would just say rap was invented in America so that doesn't count. All the American kids could be learning to play the guzheng and we would j…

K-pop from Korea, Anime / mangas from Japan, are example of asian cultural worldwide successes

Re: Germany to ban Huawei from future 6G network

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post #16

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Both Nokia (Finland) and Ericsson (Sweden) are great european alternatives. There is no need to reinvent the wheel in every EU country.

Both Nokia and Ericsson have substantial Blackrock and Vanguard investment.

Completely irrelevant. What matters it that the company itself is in a place where the EU/Germany can have oversight and control over it.
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