…in the US.
... for U.S. passports.
And if you live outside the US with a US passport, you can't use it.
Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet
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#142I'm really wary of these initiatives, because perfect law enforcement is how society ossifies. Imagine if we could prosecute all homosexual tendencies when they happened, or all interracial relationships, or any other antiquated law. Society would never progress. What happens if the government can now perfectly enforce that people under 18 can't do X or Y?
The fundamental dichotomy of all tools is they have multiple uses.
People proposing these ID's frequently suggest positive uses and there are some.
What they fail to do is consider the negative use cases and there are some (or the history of governments using tools to suppress).
In that respect the two sides struggle to see each others point of view because one doesn't see the problems and the other only sees the problems.
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#143I'm really wary of these initiatives, because perfect law enforcement is how society ossifies. Imagine if we could prosecute all homosexual tendencies when they happened, or all interracial relationships, or any other antiquated law. Society would never progress. What happens if the government can now perfectly enforce that people under 18 can't do X or Y?
Also, if it's easy to check your ID, there will be more and more checks of your ID. And that's not great...
It also normalizes in the public eye the notion that conventional ID's deserve suspicion, and pushes the Overton window, in the US context, further in the direction of accepting that LEO's can and should be jailing people solely on their personal suspicions about ID authenticity.
A person without an iPhone (or not utilizing it fully) does not deserve suspicion. It's not a crime to opt out of the mainstream iPhone sociology. It is not right to treat a person who is e.g. elderly, or for some other reason has "fallen" behind the digital divide, as an inferior person with fewer rights and privileges.
It's reliably in tech peoples' blind spot, when thinking about how to make things "efficient" for the common case, one that reflects their own experience, to not think or care about the less-common cases that don't affect them. See: digital-only payments[0]. But being banned from shopping in a few hipster stores is a small thing compared to being wrongly jailed!
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#144No thank you.
I am glad that the first eID vote we had on this (in Switzerland) prevented private industry from issuing IDs etc.
What we have now (upcoming, after another vote) is an open source[1] non centralized eID issued by the government.[2]
Although there are still some problematic points (initial issuance software is not open source and who can ask for the ID is not limited enough) the solution we have now is the best way to do such a thing at this time.
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#145I'm really wary of these initiatives, because perfect law enforcement is how society ossifies. Imagine if we could prosecute all homosexual tendencies when they happened, or all interracial relationships, or any other antiquated law. Society would never progress. What happens if the government can now perfectly enforce that people under 18 can't do X or Y?
The fundamental dichotomy of all tools is they have multiple uses. People proposing these ID's frequently suggest positive uses and there are some . What they fail to do is consider the negative use cases and there are some (or the history of governments using tools to suppress). In that respect the two sides struggle to see each others point of view because one doesn't see the problems and the other only sees the pr…
I'm not sure about that, I definitely see the benefits, I just think that the drawbacks are worse.
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
How does this apply to a digital version of an official government ID? The government already has all this data.
I didn't say anything about the data the government has or doesn't have. I'm talking about perfect enforcement. Try faking a digital ID.
> Try faking a digital ID.
Since most of that "digital ID" manifestations are just pixels on a screen, these are not a problem to fake pixel-perfect.
I did some limited travel during the COVID era, including areas that did not want to recognise my country's digital vaccination certificate. I presented them with a pixel-perfect picture of their own country's digital vaccination certificate. It's easy to copy from a screen of a friend, and it's not complicated to create your own Apple Wallet pass that looks like the one you want.
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
I didn't say anything about the data the government has or doesn't have. I'm talking about perfect enforcement. Try faking a digital ID.
> Try faking a digital ID. Since most of that "digital ID" manifestations are just pixels on a screen , these are not a problem to fake pixel-perfect. I did some limited travel during the COVID era, including areas that did not want to recognise my country's digital vaccination certificate. I presented them with a pixel-perfect picture of their own country's digital vaccination certificate. It's easy to copy from a s…
How did you fake the cryptographic signature QR code?
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#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, but the point is that we already know (app permissions, cookie tracking consents) that "ask only what you need to function" isn't how sellers operate. Also, you need an ID to buy some OTC medicine and to pick up some prescribed medicine. As well some other cases when ID needs to be presented, but those probably require more than just DOB anyway.
Again, citing the UK here, if you go to your doctor and get a prescription, all you need to pick it up is your name + address (said verbally over the counter) - no ID needed. I do not have statistics for the false pickup rates but I very much doubt it is anything to worry about.
In the US lots of prescriptions work the same. But some prescriptions and some over the counter (OTC) medicine requires presenting a legal ID to purchase because of a variety of laws.
Blood pressure prescriptions, no ID lots of times. OTC meds which are ingredients to make meth, need an ID.
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#149Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet
#150No thanks. It's 2025, identity needs to be resilient, so having a national public blockchain that every public administration entity, every private who wants to participate, compensated for the IT resources they provide, whether a citizen or a business maintains well, that makes sense. The fingerprint of a key is shared, this key is on a smart-card, therefore offline, on well-known (bank cards, SIM cards) proven and…
If you're not an LLM bot, why does almost every post have one thing in ALL-CAPS?
It's a compact textual way to state bold, two char less than this is bold...