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Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by gnabgib »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #112
_aavaa_ wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this a trick question? I know the Tesla software locks as much as possible to prevent third party repairs.

Huh? All cars are software locked. With Tesla at least you can pay $5 per day to use their tools (and you NEED their tools because they are up to date with cars firmware). I'm sure once cars are EOL'd Tesla will release final version of diagnostics, like they did with Roadster - https://github.com/teslamotors/roadster

All? My 1927 Ford doesn't seem to understand bluetooth

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by breve »

ajross wrote: post #137
postflopclarity wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's really not strained. did you watch the (many) videos? it is a literally literal Nazi salute, twice. > taking everything at the worst possible interpretation wouldn't the "worst possible interpretation" here also equal the simplest possible interpretation, which is that he did two Sieg Heils because he's a Nazi sympathizer? > you are doing business with them all the time I'm really not generally in the habit of s…

> it is a literally literal Nazi salute, twice It is clearly not, though. It's arguably evocative of one. There is an actual form to the thing, it was a military gyration, and people taught it. You can even read the Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_salute It is static at the end, being held with palm down and arm stretched forward. It does not begin at the heart, as Musk performed, nor swing sideway…

Actions have consequences.

Musk chose his actions and now he gets to live the consequences.

There really is no point in trying to excuse or rationalize it.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by ajross »

breve wrote: post #142
ajross wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it is a literally literal Nazi salute, twice It is clearly not, though. It's arguably evocative of one. There is an actual form to the thing, it was a military gyration, and people taught it. You can even read the Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_salute It is static at the end, being held with palm down and arm stretched forward. It does not begin at the heart, as Musk performed, nor swing sideway…

Actions have consequences. Musk chose his actions and now he gets to live the consequences. There really is no point in trying to excuse or rationalize it.

Just to extend the thread: nothing you say there engages with my point (which amounts to "Musk is just a routine reactionary right winger like we all deal with every day").

You're just saying you want to hate him because you want to hate him, and by extension I'm not allowed to (there is "no point in") trying to explain my contrary opinion because you disagree with it.

It's not a very HN comment. And I really don't think you're internal moral compass is consistent on this, again citing all the drunk uncles you do business with without shame.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by breve »

ajross wrote: post #143
breve wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actions have consequences. Musk chose his actions and now he gets to live the consequences. There really is no point in trying to excuse or rationalize it.

Just to extend the thread: nothing you say there engages with my point (which amounts to "Musk is just a routine reactionary right winger like we all deal with every day"). You're just saying you want to hate him because you want to hate him, and by extension I'm not allowed to (there is "no point in") trying to explain my contrary opinion because you disagree with it. It's not a very HN comment. And I really don't t…

You aren't making any points. You're emotionally trying to rationalize Musk's behaviour. It's not worth your time or effort.

In the end, Tesla is just a car company. You can buy an EV from a company that isn't run by a "drunk uncle". And if you're invested in Tesla, diversify your investments (that's just good financial sense).

Teslas aren't exactly cutting edge anymore. For example, Tesla's charge curve is quite weak compared to other EVs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy46Ag0djjk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAky0r8n5sk

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

#145

Post by ajross »

breve wrote: post #144
ajross wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to extend the thread: nothing you say there engages with my point (which amounts to "Musk is just a routine reactionary right winger like we all deal with every day"). You're just saying you want to hate him because you want to hate him, and by extension I'm not allowed to (there is "no point in") trying to explain my contrary opinion because you disagree with it. It's not a very HN comment. And I really don't t…

You aren't making any points. You're emotionally trying to rationalize Musk's behaviour. It's not worth your time or effort. In the end, Tesla is just a car company. You can buy an EV from a company that isn't run by a "drunk uncle". And if you're invested in Tesla, diversify your investments (that's just good financial sense). Teslas aren't exactly cutting edge anymore. For example, Tesla's charge curve is quite wea…

> You aren't making any points.

You replied directly to a comment where I tried to engage substantially and with external links in a discussion about whether or not he was "literally" doing a Nazi salute.

You ignored that part in favor of a "actions have consequences" quip. Then when I called you out you decided to change the subject to something that amounts to "Well Teslas aren't any good anyway!".

To be blunt: that's a taking-your-toys-and-going-home argument, and HN deserves better. The whole point of this interminable subthread is that I'm trying to challenge your assumptions. And it seems like I'm doing it pretty well, given the way you're deflecting. Maybe you'd find it more productive to do some introspection?

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by breve »

ajross wrote: post #145
breve wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You aren't making any points. You're emotionally trying to rationalize Musk's behaviour. It's not worth your time or effort. In the end, Tesla is just a car company. You can buy an EV from a company that isn't run by a "drunk uncle". And if you're invested in Tesla, diversify your investments (that's just good financial sense). Teslas aren't exactly cutting edge anymore. For example, Tesla's charge curve is quite wea…

> You aren't making any points. You replied directly to a comment where I tried to engage substantially and with external links in a discussion about whether or not he was "literally" doing a Nazi salute. You ignored that part in favor of a "actions have consequences" quip. Then when I called you out you decided to change the subject to something that amounts to "Well Teslas aren't any good anyway!". To be blunt: tha…

> You ignored that part in favor of a "actions have consequences" quip.

It isn't a quip. It's a practical reality.

The brand damage is real. Musk has cost Tesla a lot of sales.

> "Well Teslas aren't any good anyway!".

They aren't that good. Other EVs are indeed better.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

#147

Post by computerthings »

ajross wrote: post #137
postflopclarity wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's really not strained. did you watch the (many) videos? it is a literally literal Nazi salute, twice. > taking everything at the worst possible interpretation wouldn't the "worst possible interpretation" here also equal the simplest possible interpretation, which is that he did two Sieg Heils because he's a Nazi sympathizer? > you are doing business with them all the time I'm really not generally in the habit of s…

> it is a literally literal Nazi salute, twice It is clearly not, though. It's arguably evocative of one. There is an actual form to the thing, it was a military gyration, and people taught it. You can even read the Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_salute It is static at the end, being held with palm down and arm stretched forward. It does not begin at the heart, as Musk performed, nor swing sideway…

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