Yes, but will it withstand an EMP?
Granted, it's better than the status quo, which probably couldn't withstand a Flipper Zero...
Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car
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Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car
#142Some specs about the car: - 31.5kWh - 630kg - 300km (186mi) range This review explains the concept behind the car in more detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aTzuUrdyIc
Lack of DC fast charging makes the range even more limiting. It takes 2.7 hours to add another 150 miles. Modern EVs can add 150 miles of range in 10-15 minutes.
They’re a Dutch company.
You can drive from just about any point in the Netherlands to any other in less than 300km.
For a weekend toy in the densely populated parts of Europe the range is fine.
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#143Some choice quotes: > Prices for a TC2 start at €44.500 excluding taxes (€53.854 including 21% btw/Dutch tax). > The Carice TC2 complies with the European regulations and can therefore be driven in all EU countries and countries that adopt those regulations, like Switzerland, the United Kingdom, Monaco and Norway.
Saw that. It's a plaything for the wealthy, not anything like the small spartan EV that we really need.
Keep in mind a Tesla Model 3 costs €45-60k in the Netherlands, it's one of the most expensive countries for buying private vehicles.
If you built the same car in China it would cost €15k or less. Eventually with enough volume they could probably cut the price in half, producing in one of the cheaper eastern european countries which already have strong manufacturing hubs.
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#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are seriously positing that car manufacturers would install decoy sims in their vehicles to discourage people from finding the true sim, all so they might collect data without potential user disruption?
This boring paranoia always comes up in discussions about "smart" devices. In theory possible, in practice too many legal issues, so in reality it's never happened. I find it rather dull when someone brings it up.
There's some paranoia here but there's also some truth.
Okay, nobody is putting in a placebo sim, but in software, we DO have placebo controls. If you flip a switch saying "don't track me", that usually means "track me slightly less". If you delete something, that doesn't mean delete it - that means keep it, but say it's deleted.
If you go through the Windows install, for instance, even if you flip off all the stuff it will tell you "we're still going to do this, just in less circumstances".
What are those circumstances? I don't know. I'm not even sure Microsoft knows.
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#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
analytics. same thing anyone that collects data gets. how they use it might be different. most use it to monetize the data. some might actually use it to improve things. because some do use for making money, those that do for actual improving will always be deemed suspect
You are seriously positing that car manufacturers would install decoy sims in their vehicles to discourage people from finding the true sim, all so they might collect data without potential user disruption?
There are a lot of smart TV's (name-brand ones!) that will try to connect to any open wifi. Monetizing from analytics and telemetry are literally priced into the cost of the gadget. A lot of smart TV's will even ship with their cameras turned on. And Hyundai/Kia and Subaru literally disabled certain in-car features for people in Massachusetts after the repair bill passed (https://www.wired.com/story/right-to-repair-cars-hackers/)
Given that, I hardly think that 'decoy sims' are much of a stretch.
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are seriously positing that car manufacturers would install decoy sims in their vehicles to discourage people from finding the true sim, all so they might collect data without potential user disruption?
yes
What do you imagine their profit per analytics profile to be? I'm genuinely curious. I would think any random individual's data would not be all that valuable.
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t understand. Vinyl wrapping cars is a normal thing for car people. What’s the difference?
One of the key design points of the Cyvertruck was that brutalist "slab of shiny steel" look. Apparently owners often want a bit more manicured looks.
What makes you draw that conclusion? The wraps and powder coating can be observed but how can you infer intent? Which one is the “car person” and which one is just a Cybertruck owner?
They both wrap their vehicles or get custom paintjobs. How can they be differentiated by vehicle appearance alone?
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#148Some choice quotes: > Prices for a TC2 start at €44.500 excluding taxes (€53.854 including 21% btw/Dutch tax). > The Carice TC2 complies with the European regulations and can therefore be driven in all EU countries and countries that adopt those regulations, like Switzerland, the United Kingdom, Monaco and Norway.
Saw that. It's a plaything for the wealthy, not anything like the small spartan EV that we really need.
Small Spartan cars are for people who drive cars, not for people who buy cars.
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#149I like the idea, and we need variety in the market to keep things evolving, but I like the bells and whistles. I just don't want it to phone home. Honestly, I want the title to be 'we don't have a network connection and we can still be a car'. Privacy is my #1 feature.
It's a good thing cars aren't required to have a visible, unique identifier or government and corporations might be able to track your movements.
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#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
yes
What do you imagine their profit per analytics profile to be? I'm genuinely curious. I would think any random individual's data would not be all that valuable.
It doesn't have to be directly about money. Remember EV manufacturing and export is subsidized by CCP and they really like "national security".