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Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

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Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

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Post by whoooboyy »

rootusrootus wrote: post #55
whoooboyy wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, I've believed we've had an authoritarian in power for quite a while now. Obama, Trump, Biden, and Bush have all tried and succeeded in expanding executive power. They've all engaged in extrajudicial killings overseas. Nothing sets me off like seeing people think this behavior from Trump doesn't have shared roots across both parties. Biden kept kids in cages. Obama bombed weddings. Yes, the current admin is acce…

Yes, it has been accelerating a long time. But I worry a bit about toning it down too much by both-sides-ing it. The Dems were no angels, but they most assuredly did not ever try to overturn the counting of the vote for president. They did not relentlessly claim the whole game was rigged. They never openly mocked the citizens who did not vote for them, made policy specifically to spite red states, etc. Or created gov…

I'm sorry, I refuse to just simply not acknowledge the role liberalism has in the rise of fascism. Whether it's in the past or today, fascism don't just materialize because one guy talks good. It's neither incorrect nor inappropriate to say (neo)liberalism and austerity are direct antecedents to fascist rhetoric.

It's not both sidesing to identify and critique the role democrats had to play here, especially when I say the gop is clearly worse. A critical assessment of how the Dems failed to protect us is not only not helping the GOP, it's exactly the sort of root cause analysis that helps ensure the mid terms go OK.

Saying now's not the time to criticize Dems is the same sentiment that gets us "vote blue no matter who" when Biden runs but "I think we have to consider our options" when Mamdani runs. It's sticking your head in the sand rather than having to face the fact that the party has a losing platform.

Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

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Post by monksy »

rzerowan wrote: post #67

One thing that i would prefer in biometrics would be that the iris/fingerprints get treated as what they are publicly available and easily obtainable data. At worst using it a a secret key is similar to using your name as a hidden variable for authorisation, whent it sshould strictly be a identification token.And once leaked you cant revoke it . Back on topic , a Gattaca type system is unbelievably bleak and when(not…

Absolutely not. That is legitimately beyond insane.

Fingerprints are used for investigating crimes. Giving them the access to this information before hand puts you as being investigated everytime they find a fingerprint at a crime scene.

Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

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Post by Semmel »

ghssds wrote: post #77
cynicalsecurity wrote: post #13

EU's recently rejected chat control looks like child's play compared to this. These are some Stasi methods that are going to destroy the US if implemented. Europe already went through creating dossier on citizens in the past, the next immediate step is always fascism. Nothing good comes out of fascism, as the history showed.

>the next immediate step is always fascism. Chronologicaly the Stasi was built after fascism ended. It operated in East Germany, a communist state.

Yes, in a rundown communist state. What could have followed , would be a Kim leader steering the country in the North Korean direction — which I’d call fascist.

Luckily there was Gorbachev and in the people enough decency and civilisation left, so the system just folded

Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

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Post by pjc50 »

ModernMech wrote: post #25
postingawayonhn wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the assumptions should always be that one day someone like that could take power and gain access to that data.

The way to prevent authoritarians from abusing power is to not elect them, and to throw them in jail when they violate the law. They're not hard to spot; people warned about the current guy for a decade before he took over. What's happening right now is not because the government had a database lying around and an unspecified authoritarian picked it up. What's happening is that after a specific authoritarian staged a…

The problem is that people really want authoritarianism, to use against their enemies.

Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

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Post by adastra22 »

joomla199 wrote: post #84
bigyabai wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"How does it work?" "It's magic. All technology is."

Given that we don’t know why electromagnetism exists, this is basically true for many technologies.

What do you mean? We know quite well how electromagnetism arises from U(1) symmetry in gauge theory. What else is there to know?

Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

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Post by stn_za »

yannyu wrote: post #22
jedberg wrote: post #15

Did you know that the State of California has a DNA sample from every person born in the state since 1983? It's required by law for the hospital to collect it and give it to the state.

This is a particularly incendiary way of putting this information out there. What is collected and stored is a small blood-spot sample from a heel prick on a newborn. This is used to test for various kinds of conditions that affect newborns. This isn't a full DNA genome sequence or even any data at all, just the blood-spot specimen. Law enforcement does not have automatic access to this sample, but individual samples…

Ag puhleez

Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

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Post by duskdozer »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #108
tantalor wrote: post #106

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They can arrest you (with a warrant) and take your DNA whenever they want so I don't see what your point is.

They don’t need to arrest you to obtain your DNA, which is the entire point. They don’t need to arrest you to use your DNA, previously collected, to identify a family member. The government has my biometrics. Most people should assume, by default, that the government has theirs as well.

Then they don't need to recollect it for "any applicant, petitioner, sponsor, supporter, derivative, dependent, beneficiary, or individual filing or associated with a benefit request or other request or collection of information, including U.S. citizens, U.S. nationals and lawful permanent residents, and without regard to age"

Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

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Post by the_gipsy »

mmooss wrote: post #123
fnordpiglet wrote: post #87

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I suspect this government isn’t receptive to commentary from anyone other than only one person. While I’d never discourage anyone from advocating their beliefs this feels like at best a waste of energy. They are going to do it because they decided to do it - the solicitation of comments is performative and required. The only way to stop it is via the courts and by voting next November.

You are 'this government's best friend, advocating for their opponents to give up and quit. In a remarkable pattern that I never thought I'd see in the rugged individualistic, idealistic, freedom-loving USA, a large group is literally self-defeating: They defeat themselves before even getting out of bed. That's why your opponents are unstoppable - because you don't stop them. The performative nonsense is their aggres…

First, the post literally gives instructions to do something.

Second, the root problem is not incompetence, it's that half of America wanted exactly this, for a second time now.

Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

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Post by KumaBear »

hoppp wrote: post #115
joomla199 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that we don’t know why electromagnetism exists, this is basically true for many technologies.

We don't know why the world itself exists so everything is magic

There doesn’t need to be a why the world exists. It does that’s all there is to know. There doesn’t have to be purpose just an explanation of how not why
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