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Simple trick to increase coverage: Lying to users about signal strength

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Re: Simple trick to increase coverage: Lying to users about signal strength

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If my boss asks me to do something, and I refuse, what do you imagine will happen? I will get fired for insubordination. It's pretty easy to get people onboard if their paycheck depends on it.

Or you give a note to the regulation authority and your boss gets fired instead.

You'd need to have this specific request from supervisor on paper, with witnesses, all video recorded with supervisor's consent. Otherwise you'd be sued into poverty for besmirching.

Re: Simple trick to increase coverage: Lying to users about signal strength

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You know, I don't recall ever seeing 1 bar of signal strength on a smartphone. And once it's down to 2 bars, it barely works, if at all. Human brains: wow, what a bunch of suckers. Damn. By the way, is it legal to be deceptive in this way?

Wish I could post a pic on HN because I’m reading this with one bar. But it’s on iOS. Does Apple just not let carriers do this?

Re: Simple trick to increase coverage: Lying to users about signal strength

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Better coverage may be claimed. But as you know, Australia is a big place. The few farmers I know have a rough idea of the on-the-ground cell coverage. They say things like "this side of the hill/town" usually. I've seen them deliberately walk to the other side of a silo to make a call. I assume that the coverage maps are assumed cell-tower-coverage-if-shit-is-not-in-the-way. No surprise radios are common.

A Diné (Navajo) slang word for "cellphone" is "bił nijoobałí" which means "the thing you spin around with". Coverage on rez is not great you see, and in some places is so marginal that whether you get a usable signal depends not just on position but orientation...

Cool: https://endangeredlanguages.com/resource/navajo-word-day-cel...

Re: Simple trick to increase coverage: Lying to users about signal strength

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As I read this comment on my iPhone 15, I have 1 bar of 5G signal on one esim and 3 bars of signal on the other. This suggests that the issue is not related to Android.

When we visit downtown of our city, I get great data coverage. My wife, on a different model but same gen iPhone and same plan, gets nothing. Her phone shows three or four bars but her apps won't load anything. No idea why, especially since I'm the one who installs ad blockers and such. Her phone is essentially stock.

is it perhaps iPhone 16e?

Re: Simple trick to increase coverage: Lying to users about signal strength

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IIRC this really took off with the antennagate fiasco on the iphone 4. I was working for Verizon at the time and this was also the first one we were able to sell. I forget who it was that did it but I believe it was Apple in response to people "holding their phone wrong" so they bumped everything up a bar so you couldn't tell. There was a lot of competition at the time but also all the androids had better margins so…

> but also all the androids had better margins That's not something I was expecting to hear

Yeah they essentially told us that any resellers had to pay retail for Apple products.

Re: Simple trick to increase coverage: Lying to users about signal strength

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I implemented the same behavior in a different Google product. I remember the PM working on this feature showing us their research on how iPhones rendered bars across different versions. They had different spectrum ranges, one for each of maybe the last 3 iPhone versions at the time. And overlayed were lines that indicated the "breakpoints" where iPhones would show more bars. And you could clearly see that on every r…

To be sure, is it possible that, on each subsequent iPhone release, the hardware got better at handling weak signals, and thus a mediocre signal for iPhone N was decent for iPhone N+2 and would give great throughput on iPhone N+4?

The comment you’re replying to is incredibly concerning. Is he saying people at Google are purposefully misrepresenting signal strength so they can “compete” with Apple?

Re: Simple trick to increase coverage: Lying to users about signal strength

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You know, I don't recall ever seeing 1 bar of signal strength on a smartphone. And once it's down to 2 bars, it barely works, if at all. Human brains: wow, what a bunch of suckers. Damn. By the way, is it legal to be deceptive in this way?

Our house is in kind of a hollow despite being in a city, and I (and guests - all networks seem just as bad) get one bar basically all the time at home.

Phone calls are hit-and miss without WiFi calling switched on.

Re: Simple trick to increase coverage: Lying to users about signal strength

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> You know, I don't recall ever seeing 1 bar of signal strength on a smartphone. I do. I'm from Germany, land of perpetual EDGEing. Highest total GDP in the EU but can't build a mobile network for the life of it. Then again we somehow forgot how to run trains and build cars without cheating, so I guess it fits. Want to see a single bar? Come visit, our carriers aren't on the list with that inflate flag enabled. I gue…

> Highest total GDP in the EU but can't build a mobile network for the life of it. > Then again we somehow forgot how to run trains The mobile networks don't have enough dB and the trains have too much DB?

The boneheaded decision to "privatize" rail by creating a state-owned corporation competing with itself, a network of regional corporations with extremely inconsistent funding and separate corporations for various services like literally maintaining infrastructure definitely has resulted in "too much DB". Although I sincerely doubt attempting to actually open up those "markets" by introducing foreign corporations like National Express really does anything other than cannibalize rail services even further.

I still can't get over the justification for abandoning the €9/month universal ticket experiment (and replacing it with a €49/month offering which has since been bumped to €58/month and will soon be raised to €63/month) officially being in part that "rail will be worse when more people use it" (the other mostly being "not enough people used it to demonstrate its value" and "people used the ticket for trips they otherwise wouldn't have been able to afford to make").

We should just nationalize it all properly and make it free at point of service. Let tourists use it for free too, obviously. Infrastructure exists so the economy can happen, its ROI is a functioning industry and society so stop trying to pretend we can reasonably measure its success in profit.

Re: Simple trick to increase coverage: Lying to users about signal strength

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You can't hide from the pickaxe $ git log --oneline -SKEY_INFLATE_SIGNAL_STRENGTH_BOOL | tail gets us the commit [0] from 2020 where config_inflateSignalStrength was renamed to KEY_INFLATE_SIGNAL_STRENGTH_BOOL $ git log --oneline -Sconfig_inflateSignalStrength | tail gets us this commit [1] from 2017 where it was originally added: 43c14d198479 Add config to artificially inflate number of bars [0]: https://android.goo…

The 2017 commit has these code changes: private int getNumLevels() { if (mConfig.inflateSignalStrengths) { return SignalStrength.NUM_SIGNAL_STRENGTH_BINS + 1; } return SignalStrength.NUM_SIGNAL_STRENGTH_BINS; } ... } else if (mCurrentState.connected) { int level = mCurrentState.level; if (mConfig.inflateSignalStrengths) { level++; } return SignalDrawable.getState(level, getNumLevels(), mCurrentState.inetCondition ==…

> Since both numerator and denominator are bumped up, is it really malicious?

2 bins out of 4 suggests 25%-50%

3 bins out of 5 suggests 40%-60%

Re: Simple trick to increase coverage: Lying to users about signal strength

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> You know, I don't recall ever seeing 1 bar of signal strength on a smartphone. I do. I'm from Germany, land of perpetual EDGEing. Highest total GDP in the EU but can't build a mobile network for the life of it. Then again we somehow forgot how to run trains and build cars without cheating, so I guess it fits. Want to see a single bar? Come visit, our carriers aren't on the list with that inflate flag enabled. I gue…

> Highest total GDP in the EU but can't build a mobile network for the life of it. GDP per capita (or GDP per square metre) would be a more useful indication here. Otherwise, you could throw a bunch of poor countries together--just for purposes of statistics, and expect a better mobile network?

Thing is, mobile networks are national affairs. A bunch of small countries has a lot of small telcos. Germany has 3 (2? not sure with the mergers) large telcos.
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