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Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Post by anonzzzies »

kjs3 wrote: post #90
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #54

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I didn’t know British weapons made it to the RSF. Wow. Have American weapons been used in the war?

It would be very strange if American weapons weren't used in a conflict this big, which is a very different question from "did the US government sell weapons into this war".

Guess you are on the wrong side of things if you know your weapons are getting laundered through other countries to get to a conflict. And of course uk, us and china know this and always knew this.

Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Post by MangoToupe »

ngruhn wrote: post #87
MangoToupe wrote: post #78

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It's worth noting there are islamists on both side. Anyone who characterizes this as purely religious or ethnic has a bridge to sell. This conflict would have died years ago if it weren't for foreign actors putting their hands up Sudan's ass

The number of violent conflicts initiated by various islamist groups is insane [1]. There is something wrong here that goes beyond funding. It's possible to acknowledge that without being islamophobic. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflict...

Wait until you hear about how europeans behave—it makes the islamists look downright civilizing

Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Post by isr »

anukin wrote: post #106
culi wrote: post #98

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Yes ofc. The RSF is just the rebranded Janjaweed which were legally classified as having committed genocide. But they never faced any international consequences and here they are committing genocide once again. It's also a major conflict though as the SAF is the major oppositional force fighting against the RSF. SAF was the military that took control after a democratic revolution pushed out the dictator Omar al-Bashi…

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Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Post by spookie »

culi wrote: post #137
lazide wrote: post #120

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If you read the Koran and Hadiths, there are numerous statements about the true Muslims duty being to spread Islam - at the point of the sword being a well supported one, scripture wise. Abu Bakr [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Bakr ] and even Mohammed himself [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_expeditions_of_Muhamma... ]. It has never been a particularly ‘turn the other cheek’ religion.

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Looking into the past everyone looks like a barbarian. And yes, the use of the word was meant as sarcasm.

Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Post by spookie »

kakacik wrote: post #64
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #48

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> plenty of flat sand to park aircraft on Then someone else parks there. Barring a Saudi takeover of Qatar, we’re stuck there to keep the Russians and Chinese out.

We just have to keep protecting them and give them weapons, otherwise somebody else will do it. Quite a high moral ground to be on, I tell ya. I know I know, realpolitik and all, but then lets stop pretending there is some higher ground and treat say china-us conflict as something that literally doesn't concern Europe at all (seems like US has still military upper hand but who knows for how long, seems like China wil…

Europe would be more concern if there was more trust in the current US government. Besides, European politicians have been so naive they have let China use their financial power to exert pressure, they are slowly waking up to it, but not fast enough.

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Post by hansmayer »

alephnerd wrote: post #112
hansmayer wrote: post #77

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> The Middle East, North Africa, Central Asia, and Balkans are all burning because of this saga Balkans, you say?

The UAE backs Vucic and is the primary FDI source for Serbia's real estate and armaments industry. A major reason Vucic's administration slid into authoritarianism was because the opposition began asking hard questions about the Belgrade Waterfront Project.

Right on mate, but that's hardly "Balkans is burning", if you know at least a bit of recent European history...

Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Post by haritha-j »

This is truly horrible and I don't want to detract from the original aim of the article, but can we just establish that 'visible' from space doesn't really mean much anymore given the resolution of satellites? My garage is also visible from space, doesn't make it worthy of a headline.

Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Post by fakedang »

isr wrote: post #144
inshard wrote: post #69

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I don't see the original comment tying the tensions to Islam anywhere. And yes, the conflict is heavily tied to ethnicities - RSF is Arab-dominated and has been systematically genociding other ethnicities, and both sides are effectively enabling a resource grab for their backers.

Arab vs non-Arab conflicts are also nothing new. See Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Somalia, etc.

Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Post by karmakurtisaani »

MangoToupe wrote: post #142
ngruhn wrote: post #87

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The number of violent conflicts initiated by various islamist groups is insane [1]. There is something wrong here that goes beyond funding. It's possible to acknowledge that without being islamophobic. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflict...

Wait until you hear about how europeans behave—it makes the islamists look downright civilizing

Or the Israelian or Russian. It almost seems like it's more about power than religion per se.
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