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ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Immigration is a civil matter, not a criminal matter.

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It is not a lie, immigration, is primarily a civil issue with civil enforcement. You don't get a lawyer, you don't get your case heard in Title III courts. There are a few things that are capital C crimes related to immigration, but the bulk of the current enforcement is related it civil immigration matters.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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post #55

Don’t fall for the lie that this is at all about illegal immigration- that is just an excuse for what has become state sponsored KKK style racial terrorism operating completely outside the law. Videos all over the Internet show them violently attacking and terrorizing hispanic looking people with no concern for if they are citizens or not. At the Wilder raid in Idaho they were shooting children with rubber bullets, a…

I stopped hearing claims that it was about illegal immigration almost instantly after the debate where he claimed “they’re eating the dogs, they’re eating the cats, they’re eating the pets of the people that live there.” It was eerie.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Immigration is a civil matter, not a criminal matter.

https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/crime-en... disagrees.

In those cases yes, but ICE is disappearing people who have entered legally and are awaiting a CIVIL immigration hearing on status changes, etc. The cases you reference are a small minority of those being detained and deported.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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post #52
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I wonder how soon till the automated license plate reader cameras everywhere start doing this.

My understanding is that the only thing keeping this from happening is that the data is far more valuable for traffic monitoring than law enforcement. As a trivial example, these cameras can already determine is a vehicle is speeding based on its number plate sightings between any two cameras. They can hence start issuing tickets, no radar or police needed. However, they've not gone down this path because they are (r…

Don't we have the right to "face your accuser" ie getting automatic tickets from the government is illegal because you don't have an accuser.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Or, put more succinctly, Wilhoit’s Law (which is framed as about “conservatism” rather than “fascism”, but the latter can be viewed as, within the context of the description, a complex of ideas which includes the former as its central element): Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not…

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That conservatism (including fascism) foundationally rests on something that involves explicitly unequal standards does not mean that every hypocrite is a conservative, correct. (p implies q) does not imply (q iimplies p).

Also, though, a lot of groups with some degree of leftist rhetoric are substantially right-wing hierarchy-promoting groups (even promoting fascist-style leader-centric structures) that are simply trying to replace one heirarchy with another rather than eliminate hierarchy, a tradition of deceptive rhetorical positioning which has included fascists as far back as the early days of the National Socialist German Workers Party.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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post #116
post #55

Don’t fall for the lie that this is at all about illegal immigration- that is just an excuse for what has become state sponsored KKK style racial terrorism operating completely outside the law. Videos all over the Internet show them violently attacking and terrorizing hispanic looking people with no concern for if they are citizens or not. At the Wilder raid in Idaho they were shooting children with rubber bullets, a…

It is absolutely insane that the party who tried on the Libertarian mask less than 20 years ago and rode high on a wave of "don't tread on me" individual liberty is now suddenly ok with masked thugs scanning everyone's faces for their master database of enemies of the state.

> suddenly ok with masked thugs scanning everyone's faces

The point is it is brown people's faces.

They have always been OK with that

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Scale matters. Once is a bad actor; this is a bad executive branch, with seriously bad supporting turns by the highest court and congress.

Yes, ICE has been a bad actor since the day it was created, which is why "shutdown ICE" has been a thing on the left for a while now. But it's now operating as the private military of Donald Trump and the executive branch on a scale never before seen in America. Its upcoming budget is greater than every other federal law enforcement agency combined. We see videos every day of their gleeful assaults on anyone they lik…

In a way, the 9/11 terrorists have brought much more damage to the USA than they could have ever hoped for.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/crime-en... disagrees.

In those cases yes, but ICE is disappearing people who have entered legally and are awaiting a CIVIL immigration hearing on status changes, etc. The cases you reference are a small minority of those being detained and deported.

Can you evidence any of that?

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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> The irony of doing this while covering their own faces It’s best to understand that fascists see hypocrisy as a virtue. It’s how they signal that the things they are doing to people were never meant to be equally applied. It’s not an inconsistency. It’s very consistent to the only true fascist value, which is domination. It’s very important to understand, fascists don’t just see hypocrisy as a necessary evil or an…

Or, put more succinctly, Wilhoit’s Law (which is framed as about “conservatism” rather than “fascism”, but the latter can be viewed as, within the context of the description, a complex of ideas which includes the former as its central element): Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not…

There's a similar quote that also fits:

> If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It is not a lie, immigration, is primarily a civil issue with civil enforcement. You don't get a lawyer, you don't get your case heard in Title III courts. There are a few things that are capital C crimes related to immigration, but the bulk of the current enforcement is related it civil immigration matters.

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