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China has added forest the size of Texas since 1990

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Re: China has added forest the size of Texas since 1990

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post #60

I'm starting to think that we're the baddies.

Ecologically speaking, the US is an absolute monster of a nightmare. The American carbon footprint is incredible.

I would have thought that, in saying "we", OP was referring to all of humanity, rather than just the US and/or the Western world.

Re: China has added forest the size of Texas since 1990

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ecologically speaking, the US is an absolute monster of a nightmare. The American carbon footprint is incredible.

It doesn't even come close to China. So if we're a nightmarish monster, I would hate to think what that makes China.

Not per capita.

Re: China has added forest the size of Texas since 1990

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This and Bill Gates saying... > “the doomsday outlook [on climate change] is causing much of the climate community to focus too much on near-term emissions goals, and it’s diverting resources from the most effective things we should be doing to improve life in a warming world.” I guess it's cool there's something to be hopeful about, westerner's just seemed excited to make money off of melting ice in Greenland.

Bill Gates is fundamentally anthrophilic, so his concern is above all human suffering. I think that’s a valid viewpoint, but also shortsighted; keeping this planet habitable will require tough decisions and sacrifices, and should stay the utmost priority, out of sheer necessity.

Re: China has added forest the size of Texas since 1990

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India too has been adding more green cover than ever. Higher CO2 in atmosphere leads to faster growth of forests. But more important factor is urbanization for India. As people move to cities the need to cut down trees goes down.

India doesn't do it in an organized way though.

You'll read about some 70 year old woman/man in an obscure village who's reforested thousands of acres on their own, or resuscitated a lake (e.g. the lake guy in Bengaluru).

But there's little effort to harness their knowledge in a systematic way, add knowledge from others into the knowledge bank, do peer review, and then systematically dispense the knowledge in the form of a kit to environmentalists and bureaucrats across the country. China did this, and that's why they're so successful.

Re: China has added forest the size of Texas since 1990

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the rest of the world should stop doing their manufacturing in china.

It's called China, not china.

If we're going to pick nits, I'm fairly sure most of the Chinese population don't speak English, making it neither China nor china but 中华人民共和国

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-s...

Re: China has added forest the size of Texas since 1990

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Meanwhile we're speedrunning DustBowl 2.0 just in time for its 100th anniversary.

How so? US forest cover bottomed out in the 1920s or 1930 and has been going up since. If anything, in the West, the forests aren't logged enough, which increases wildfire risk.

China isn't following a particularly unique path, they just did a speedrun of economic development - they had nearly everyone living in extreme poverty in the 1980s. Before long, they'll be looking for cheap markets to outsource manufacturing and extractive industries to... which is why they're lending money to forgotten African nations. Keeping Russia an international pariah and making them economically dependent on China is probably up their alley too.

Re: China has added forest the size of Texas since 1990

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I'm starting to think that we're the baddies.

It’s becoming very hard to see China as the adversary and not the U.S. There isn’t even a pretend moral high ground anymore.

I could see how you would come to that conclusion if your knowledge of China started 5 minutes ago

Re: China has added forest the size of Texas since 1990

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post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you tell everyone what their per capita emission is? While you're at it, compare that with the US per capita emissions. Also let us know the accumulated emissions for China and US in the last 50 years. Thanks.

The earth doesn't give a shit about per capita, and us and eu are net reducing CO2 emissions since 2014 (even during trump I)

US: 335M / 5,000M ton / 15 ton

Indonesia: 275M / 650M ton / 2.3 ton

Pakistan: 240M / 225M ton / 1 ton

Nigeria: 220M / 110M ton / 0.5 ton

Brazil: 215M / 475M ton / 2.2 ton

I can go on and on about the countries that are emitting less than the US. People and animals live in areas that are liveable. So countries near the equator and fertile countries will always be more populous. So how else do you propose we compare countries? Which are themselves mostly arbitrary lines as far as the earth is concerned - so why chunk by countries? It has to be per person right?

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