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OpenAI says over a million people talk to ChatGPT about suicide weekly

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Post by jalapenos »

pasteldream wrote: post #119
jalapenos wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because that's on the whole, but the world isn't uniformly bad - hence the right approach is navigating to where it's at least OK

But naturally, won’t there be people who can’t get to a point where life is okay? Isn’t it deeply unethical to force them to live?

The randomness of the world and individual situations means no one can ever know for sure that their case is hopeless. It is unethical to force them to live, but it is also unethical not to encourage them to keep searching for the light.

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Post by beeflet »

android521 wrote: post #136
rich_sasha wrote: post #81

We've refined the human experience to extinction. In pursuit of that extra 0.1% of growth and extra 0.15 EPS, we've optimised and reoptimised until there isn't really space for being human. We're losing the ability to interact with each other socially, to flirt, now we're making life so stressful people literally want to kill themselves. All in a world (bubble) or abundance, where so much food is made, we literally d…

I like your plan B. But I would wait until robots are good enough to help with the hard work

if they can do the hard work, they can do the easy work.

Re: OpenAI says over a million people talk to ChatGPT about suicide weekly

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Post by gs17 »

jalapenos wrote: post #50

Is the news-worthy surprise that so many people find life so horrible that they are contemplating ending it? I really don't see that as surprising. The world and life aren't particularly pleasant things. What would be more interesting is how effective ChatGPT is being in guiding them towards other ideas. Most suicide prevention notices are a joke - pretending that "call this hotline" means you've done your job and th…

> What would be more interesting is how effective ChatGPT is being in guiding them towards other ideas. Most suicide prevention notices are a joke - pretending that "call this hotline" means you've done your job and that's that.

I've triggered its safety behavior (for being frustrated, which it helpfully decided was the same as being suicidal), and it is the exact joke of a statement you said. It suddenly reads off a script that came from either Legal or HR.

Although weirdly, other people seem to get a much shorter, obviously not part of the chat message, while I got a chat message, so maybe my messages just made it regurgitate something similar. The shorter "safety" message is the same concept though, it's just: "It sounds like you’re carrying a lot right now, but you don’t have to go through this alone. You can find supportive resources here."

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Post by xeonmc »

NathanKP wrote: post #110
rich_sasha wrote: post #81

We've refined the human experience to extinction. In pursuit of that extra 0.1% of growth and extra 0.15 EPS, we've optimised and reoptimised until there isn't really space for being human. We're losing the ability to interact with each other socially, to flirt, now we're making life so stressful people literally want to kill themselves. All in a world (bubble) or abundance, where so much food is made, we literally d…

I'm right behind you on the escape to the mountains idea. I've actually already moved from the US to New Zealand, and the next step is a farm with some goats lol. That said... I don't necessarily hate what AI is doing to us. If anything, AI is the ultimate expression of humanity. Throughout history humans have continually searched for another intelligence. We study the apes and other animals, we pray to Gods, we look…

Humanity constructing a golden calf is an invariant eventuality, just like softwares expanding until it read emails.

Re: OpenAI says over a million people talk to ChatGPT about suicide weekly

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Post by javaunsafe2019 »

rustystump wrote: post #120
rich_sasha wrote: post #81

We've refined the human experience to extinction. In pursuit of that extra 0.1% of growth and extra 0.15 EPS, we've optimised and reoptimised until there isn't really space for being human. We're losing the ability to interact with each other socially, to flirt, now we're making life so stressful people literally want to kill themselves. All in a world (bubble) or abundance, where so much food is made, we literally d…

This is over the top. With tiny reframe i think the story is different. What is the avg number of google searches about suicid? What is the avg number of weekly openai users? (800m) Is this an increasing trend or just a “shock value” number? Things are not as bleak as it seems and this number isnt even remotely surprising nor concerning to me.

Is that you Mr Anderson?

Re: OpenAI says over a million people talk to ChatGPT about suicide weekly

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Post by gs17 »

aryehof wrote: post #128

My first reaction is how do they know? Are these all people sharing their chats (willingly) with OpenAI, or is opting out of “helping improve the model” for privacy a farce?

I bet it's how many people trigger the "safety" filter, which is way too sensitive: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1ocen4g/ummm_okay_...

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Post by pasteldream »

mbac32768 wrote: post #122
pasteldream wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you accept that “the world and life aren’t particularly pleasant things”, why do you want to prevent suicide?

That implies there's some deep truth about reality in that statement rather than what it is, a completely arbitrary framing. An equally arbitrary frame is "the world and life are wonderful". The reason you may believe one instead of the other is not because one is more fundamentally true than the other, but because of a stochastic process that changed your mind state to one of those. Once you accept that both states…

It’s not a completely arbitrary framing. It’s a consequence of other beliefs (ethical beliefs, beliefs about what you can or should tolerate, etc.), which are ultimately arbitrary, but it is not in and of itself arbitrary.

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Post by Den_VR »

unglaublich wrote: post #95
rich_sasha wrote: post #81

We've refined the human experience to extinction. In pursuit of that extra 0.1% of growth and extra 0.15 EPS, we've optimised and reoptimised until there isn't really space for being human. We're losing the ability to interact with each other socially, to flirt, now we're making life so stressful people literally want to kill themselves. All in a world (bubble) or abundance, where so much food is made, we literally d…

The romantic fallback plan of being a farmer or shepherd. I wonder, do farmers and shepherds also romantize about becoming programmers or accountants when they feel down?

The old term for it was to become a “gentleman farmer.” There’s a history to it - George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were the same for a part of their lives.
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