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YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

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Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

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Post by RiverCrochet »

Tadpole9181 wrote: post #111
benbristow wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you simping for the shareholders? I should have the choice of anything I want to watch. The unethical option provides all and is cheaper than a subscription for a single one of those services. Besides, those services often make it difficult to unsubscribe with dark patterns.

And why are you acting like you have a right to unlimited access of all content made, regardless of the economics, for $20 a month at the highest quality of service through one platform? Things cost money, that's the world we live in. You don't have to like it, but it is what it is. The unethical option is actually illegal and, as more people do it, only game theories everyone else into having to pay more. Feel free…

Copyright is supposed to exist for a limited time to "promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts." The current 100 year plus regime is effectively forever and not in line with the original constitutional purpose. With reasonable copyright timeframes, at some point all copyright will expire and then everything will be legal. The notion that an artist is entitled to extract money from each eyeball or ear that encounters the work until the heat death of the universe is unethical.

Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

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Post by malshe »

speak_plainly wrote: post #24

There was a time when the algorithm was truly amazing and the recommendations were smart, spot-on, and mostly high quality. I don't know what happened but you have to search now for decent content. The recommendations part of YouTube just seems to give me old content or will show me things I've already watched. Despite it feeling almost user-hostile, I still use Youtube,

YT has a bad tendency for over-recommending. I watch one video about stock market and my next ten videos are about stock picking from random guys. I also immediately get advertisements for crypto platforms!

The only time I appreciate over-recommendations is when I search for old standup videos of Dave Attell, George Carlin, and others and it suggests more of these gems.

Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

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Post by analog8374 »

wilg wrote: post #123
analog8374 wrote: post #3

In a word, way less free. And more commercials. All you pirates with your archives and torrents. You are Luke Skywalker here.

There are no commercials with YouTube Premium, which is totally worth it. Why people feel entitled to pirate things still is incredible. People fundamentally hate paying artists for their work even though it's incredibly cheap, because they can come up with some bogus way to blame a corporation and feel, like you said here, laughably, like Luke Skywalker. Insane.

What is the greater contribution to society, the movie or the money paid to see the movie?

Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

#144

Post by m463 »

INTPenis wrote: post #7

In my circle, piracy is making a comeback. We're tired of having to hunt down streaming services, and be extorted for hundreds of euro a month, just to see ads for their own programs. Streaming was fun for a while, but as always these greedy execs are ruining it.

I focus a lot on 4k, bluray and dvds. Shuffling physical media is nice.

Small used cd/dvd stores like rasputin are a delight.

If life gets busy, you pause without racking up subscription fees.

Also - there is something deliberate about choosing and watching a movie physically. You buy it deliberately, and later you play it more deliberately.

When I had netflix, I could spend the time to watch a movie doomscrolling through not-that-great stuff to not watch.

Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

#145

Post by lotsoweiners »

wilg wrote: post #123
analog8374 wrote: post #3

In a word, way less free. And more commercials. All you pirates with your archives and torrents. You are Luke Skywalker here.

There are no commercials with YouTube Premium, which is totally worth it. Why people feel entitled to pirate things still is incredible. People fundamentally hate paying artists for their work even though it's incredibly cheap, because they can come up with some bogus way to blame a corporation and feel, like you said here, laughably, like Luke Skywalker. Insane.

Youtube premium is like $15/mo. I believe it was more for the family plan I used to have. I canceled it like a year ago and don’t feel I miss it at all. I just don’t think Google is a company I should ever give money to directly. If some 3rd party service blocked YouTube for $15/mo I’d be more inclined to pay them vs Google.

Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

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Post by hedora »

INTPenis wrote: post #7

In my circle, piracy is making a comeback. We're tired of having to hunt down streaming services, and be extorted for hundreds of euro a month, just to see ads for their own programs. Streaming was fun for a while, but as always these greedy execs are ruining it.

I’ll just add that bogus DMCA takedowns (for anticompetitive or censorship goals) are a real burden for many YouTube creators, making supporting their monopoly at least as morally dubious as piracy.

Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

malshe wrote: post #142
speak_plainly wrote: post #24

There was a time when the algorithm was truly amazing and the recommendations were smart, spot-on, and mostly high quality. I don't know what happened but you have to search now for decent content. The recommendations part of YouTube just seems to give me old content or will show me things I've already watched. Despite it feeling almost user-hostile, I still use Youtube,

YT has a bad tendency for over-recommending. I watch one video about stock market and my next ten videos are about stock picking from random guys. I also immediately get advertisements for crypto platforms! The only time I appreciate over-recommendations is when I search for old standup videos of Dave Attell, George Carlin, and others and it suggests more of these gems.

> I also immediately get advertisements for crypto platforms!

Ad-blocker.

Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

#148

Post by crazygringo »

RiverCrochet wrote: post #141
Tadpole9181 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And why are you acting like you have a right to unlimited access of all content made, regardless of the economics, for $20 a month at the highest quality of service through one platform? Things cost money, that's the world we live in. You don't have to like it, but it is what it is. The unethical option is actually illegal and, as more people do it, only game theories everyone else into having to pay more. Feel free…

Copyright is supposed to exist for a limited time to "promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts." The current 100 year plus regime is effectively forever and not in line with the original constitutional purpose. With reasonable copyright timeframes, at some point all copyright will expire and then everything will be legal. The notion that an artist is entitled to extract money from each eyeball or ear that enco…

What does that have to do with streaming services?

Probably 80% of what is watched is from the last year, a lot of it from the last month. Most of the rest is from the past couple decades. The original US copyright law of 1790 allowed for 28 years.

I mean, I agree current copyright is too long. It's just not that relevant to streaming. Not a lot of people are looking to watch old episodes of Knight Rider for free. (Those who are, I salute you.)

Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

#149

Post by Tadpole9181 »

RiverCrochet wrote: post #141
Tadpole9181 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And why are you acting like you have a right to unlimited access of all content made, regardless of the economics, for $20 a month at the highest quality of service through one platform? Things cost money, that's the world we live in. You don't have to like it, but it is what it is. The unethical option is actually illegal and, as more people do it, only game theories everyone else into having to pay more. Feel free…

Copyright is supposed to exist for a limited time to "promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts." The current 100 year plus regime is effectively forever and not in line with the original constitutional purpose. With reasonable copyright timeframes, at some point all copyright will expire and then everything will be legal. The notion that an artist is entitled to extract money from each eyeball or ear that enco…

I agree with you, but that's not what's happening in this conversation. Nor are any of these services a historical archive, they are ongoing catalogues and your subscription funds new shows, as well as servicing cost.

And let's not feign ignorance by saying the overwhelming vast majority of things being watched are exactly that new content, not 30 year old reruns of Frasier.

EDIT: I apologize, only ~2 seasons of Frasier would extend past copyright. It started airing 1993.

Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

#150

Post by kelnos »

ac29 wrote: post #68
softwaredoug wrote: post #21

My personal theory on this is prestige TV is in a recession. After Game of thrones season 8, people wonder why they should invest into a show when there’s a high chance it won’t pay off. Even for a good show it can feel like work. That plus the high cost for studios and over abundance of supply, meant studios pulled back. Instead we’re seeing a reemergence of low effort TV. And YouTube plays nicely into that. At some…

> After Game of thrones season 8, people wonder why they should invest into a show when there’s a high chance it won’t pay off. GoT was going downhill way before the final season. Also, I'm not sure what you mean by investing in a show. TV watching should be enjoyable, you dont have to watch things you dont like hoping for a payoff later on.

Many people (myself included) enjoy TV shows that have an ongoing story. Ideally we want that story to come to a satisfying end, eventually. It's disappointing when, after watching it for tens or hundreds of hours, the team behind the show delivers a sub-par ending, or no real ending at all.

Sure, there are lots of episodic shows out there where each episode can be enjoyed (or not) on its own, and if the show starts going downhill, you can just stop watching, and it's not that big a deal.

> you dont have to watch things you dont like hoping for a payoff later on.

No, but it's disappointing when I watch something I do like for years, and then the payoff never materializes. Sure, that doesn't erase the enjoyment of watching it over those years, but not getting that payoff feels like leaving us hanging off a ledge.

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