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Computer science courses that don't exist, but should (2015)

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Re: Computer science courses that don't exist, but should (2015)

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Post by globular-toast »

zkmon wrote: post #140

> CSCI 2100: Unlearning Object-Oriented Programming?? People in tech industry, seem to have no idea how the systems in the wild work. Enterprise Java runs the backbone of operations for all of large business organisations such as banks. It is just as grounded as MS Office is. It is object-oriented software that is running the bulk of production environments of the world. Who is going to maintain these systems for the…

Banks as an example of "getting things done" is laughable. Real industry gets things done: manufacturing, construction, healthcare etc. We could do without the massive leech that is the finance sector.

Re: Computer science courses that don't exist, but should (2015)

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Post by znpy »

globular-toast wrote: post #141
zkmon wrote: post #140

> CSCI 2100: Unlearning Object-Oriented Programming?? People in tech industry, seem to have no idea how the systems in the wild work. Enterprise Java runs the backbone of operations for all of large business organisations such as banks. It is just as grounded as MS Office is. It is object-oriented software that is running the bulk of production environments of the world. Who is going to maintain these systems for the…

Banks as an example of "getting things done" is laughable. Real industry gets things done: manufacturing, construction, healthcare etc. We could do without the massive leech that is the finance sector.

I still get my monthly salary via wire transfers, no issues… banks do get things done.

Re: Computer science courses that don't exist, but should (2015)

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Post by TZubiri »

Bigpet wrote: post #136
TZubiri wrote: post #20

>CSCI 2100: Unlearning Object-Oriented Programming Discover how to create and use variables that aren't inside of an object hierarchy. Learn about "functions," which are like methods but more generally useful. Prerequisite: Any course that used the term "abstract base class." This is just a common meme that often comes from ignorance, or a strawman of what OOP is. >CSCI 4020: Writing Fast Code in Slow Languages Analy…

> Python is heavily OOP, everything is an object in python for example. I strongly disagree. How is everything being called an object in any way "heavily OOP"? OOP is not just "I organize my stuff into objects". You can write OOP code with python but most python code I've seen is not organized around OOP principles.

>I strongly disagree. How is everything being called an object in any way "heavily OOP

Do I need to spell it out? The O in OOP stands for object.Everything is an object therefore it is Object Oriented. It's not much more complex than that man.

And I don't mean that it supports users writing oop code, I mean that the lang, interpreter and library are themselves written with oop. Inheritance? Check. Classes? Check. Objects? Check. Even classes are an object of type MetaClass.

Re: Computer science courses that don't exist, but should (2015)

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Post by freetonik »

zkmon wrote: post #140

> CSCI 2100: Unlearning Object-Oriented Programming?? People in tech industry, seem to have no idea how the systems in the wild work. Enterprise Java runs the backbone of operations for all of large business organisations such as banks. It is just as grounded as MS Office is. It is object-oriented software that is running the bulk of production environments of the world. Who is going to maintain these systems for the…

I don’t necessarily agree with a somewhat childish “unlearn OOP” idea, but… a lot of that enterprise software is of bad quality. Whether it’s OOP or something else’s fault, simply stating that a lot of backbone is written in Java does not prove Java is a good choice, nor does it prove that there is nothing wrong with Java.

Re: Computer science courses that don't exist, but should (2015)

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Post by freetonik »

znpy wrote: post #142
globular-toast wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Banks as an example of "getting things done" is laughable. Real industry gets things done: manufacturing, construction, healthcare etc. We could do without the massive leech that is the finance sector.

I still get my monthly salary via wire transfers, no issues… banks do get things done.

A lot of wire transfer code and other foundational banking code is written in COBOL.

Re: Computer science courses that don't exist, but should (2015)

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Post by dominicrose »

LPisGood wrote: post #33
d_silin wrote: post #11

"CSCI 4020: Writing Fast Code in Slow Languages" does exist, at least in the book form. Teach algorithmic complexity theory in slowest possible language like VB or Ruby. Then demonstrate how O(N) in Ruby trumps O(N^2) in C++.

Python has come along way. It’s never gonna win for something like high-frequency trading, but it will be super competitive in areas you wouldn’t expect.

The Python interpreter and core library is mostly C code, right? Even a Python library can be coded in C. If you want to sort an array for example, it will cost more in Python because it's sorting python objects, but it's coded in C.

Re: Computer science courses that don't exist, but should (2015)

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Post by m_rpn »

zkmon wrote: post #140

> CSCI 2100: Unlearning Object-Oriented Programming?? People in tech industry, seem to have no idea how the systems in the wild work. Enterprise Java runs the backbone of operations for all of large business organisations such as banks. It is just as grounded as MS Office is. It is object-oriented software that is running the bulk of production environments of the world. Who is going to maintain these systems for the…

That happened not by choice, but by chance and due to "OOP consultants" running rampant in the 2000s. Source: i have to maintain Java slop in a bank, and used to maintain Java slop in manufacturing.

Re: Computer science courses that don't exist, but should (2015)

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Post by kragen »

zkmon wrote: post #140

> CSCI 2100: Unlearning Object-Oriented Programming?? People in tech industry, seem to have no idea how the systems in the wild work. Enterprise Java runs the backbone of operations for all of large business organisations such as banks. It is just as grounded as MS Office is. It is object-oriented software that is running the bulk of production environments of the world. Who is going to maintain these systems for the…

If you think programmers should defer to bank managers on what the best way to design software is, do you also think that bank managers should defer to plumbers on what the best way to manage liquidity is?

Re: Computer science courses that don't exist, but should (2015)

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Post by m_rpn »

znpy wrote: post #142
globular-toast wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Banks as an example of "getting things done" is laughable. Real industry gets things done: manufacturing, construction, healthcare etc. We could do without the massive leech that is the finance sector.

I still get my monthly salary via wire transfers, no issues… banks do get things done.

Not thanks to Java or OOP, but despite it. You can thank my colleagues fighting Java in the bank each day.
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