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ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by Gigachad »

mulmen wrote: post #6
HelloUsername wrote: post #2

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ambCqcFuexk Also, why didn't they install SteamOS directly? https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/65B4-2AA3-5F37-42...

Not sure what the specific benefits of SteamOS are. It’s forked from Arch, I don’t know what Valve changes. Maybe slightly better hardware support for Steam Deck? I run Steam on Fedora on my desktop and have no issues.

SteamOS is very different from Arch. There’s almost too much to list here. But it uses an image based read only OS, a fully custom wayland desktop environment/compositor, does not have pakman, software is distributed either through steam or flatpak, OS image updates have their own mechanism. And a whole lot of preinstalled drivers and software for things like controller support which typically don’t come out of the box on Linux distros.

The whole OS is made for controllers, no need for a mouse/kb for anything.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by ryandrake »

cortesoft wrote: post #135
estimator7292 wrote: post #129

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Counter: it's the publisher's fault, not Linux. As you said, the hardware is perfectly capable, and the OS is capable, publishers just refuse to allow it without installing kernel level malware. It's EA's fault that you're required to install a damn rootkit to play a game. It's not the fault of Linux for refusing to allow this. Microsoft shouldn't allow it either, and they will likely shut it down before too much lon…

I am choosing to let them install kernel level software because I want to be able to play multiplayer games without cheaters. There doesn't seem to be any other way that people have found to effectively block cheaters. A user is in full control of their Linux install, which is great... unless I want to play them in a game and they decide to cheat. It is a tradeoff, yes, but one I choose to make because being able to…

I’d almost be ok with this if the kernel-level malware actually stopped cheaters but it doesn’t! Most (all?) modern multiplayer shooters that employ anti-cheats still are struggling with cheaters. So you get the worst of both worlds: you need to install a rootkit and still have to deal with cheaters. Why do gamers accept this abuse?

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by slumberlust »

cortesoft wrote: post #135
estimator7292 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counter: it's the publisher's fault, not Linux. As you said, the hardware is perfectly capable, and the OS is capable, publishers just refuse to allow it without installing kernel level malware. It's EA's fault that you're required to install a damn rootkit to play a game. It's not the fault of Linux for refusing to allow this. Microsoft shouldn't allow it either, and they will likely shut it down before too much lon…

I am choosing to let them install kernel level software because I want to be able to play multiplayer games without cheaters. There doesn't seem to be any other way that people have found to effectively block cheaters. A user is in full control of their Linux install, which is great... unless I want to play them in a game and they decide to cheat. It is a tradeoff, yes, but one I choose to make because being able to…

There is a way. Custom servers with commuties police cheaters willingly and consistently. It also lets games exist beyond the corporate lifecycle.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by ryandrake »

dijit wrote: post #113
ndriscoll wrote: post #105

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What does defeatism mean here? As opposed to lobbying our representatives to make DRM (of which anticheat is a subset) or product tying restrictions (e.g. artificially requiring something to run on Windows/Xbox or Google Android or a Switch when a generic computer is perfectly capable of running it) illegal or something?

kernel level anticheat is a chicken and egg problem. No game developers of seriously looking at enabling even in the cases where it is extremely easy and trivial to enable, because the additional support button isn’t considered worth it for the number of users as they might get. so when I say it’s defeatist, what I mean is all you have to do is vote with your wallet enough and the games will follow. I know this an ab…

Sounds good, but gamers never vote with their wallets and the publishers know this. They complain and moan about everything but when the next year’s Madden or FIFA comes out, they forget their complaints and inevitably fork over their money.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by shmerl »

eru wrote: post #114
DigitallyFidget wrote: post #36

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It really has. I had always tried to use Linux in the past, but gaming was always a fight, and the OS just never felt like it behaved reliable for daily usage for me, was always some little annoyance or bug or issue I'd run into and inevitably switch back to Windows for the sake of things just working without having to spend hours and days and weeks trying to fix issues. That was 10+ years ago. I finally decided to g…

I've been using Linux since the late 1990s. Gaming has improved by leaps and bounds in the last few years, but non-gaming desktop use has been solid for ages. What little annoyances and bugs and issues kept you going back to Windows? I found Windows 10 was the first bearable Windows, that I could use without wanting to go back to Linux all the time. Not great, but bearable. I still used Windows for gaming throughout…

Try KDE Plasma Wayland session. No tearing there unless you explicitly request it.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by Dylan16807 »

_carbyau_ wrote: post #123
op00to wrote: post #62

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also the fact that it doesn’t have an internal battery

I understand weight as an issue on a portable but since when is being able to replace the battery a design fault?

You're mixing things up. Normal replaceable batteries are still internal.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by ryandrake »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #65
terribleperson wrote: post #63

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You're assuming that Gabe Newell doesn't have massive non-steam assets that can be used to pay the estate tax.

A. What assets matter at this scale? B. They are also taxed at 40% C. And the estate may just want to sell more Steam shares to keep whatever they are intact D. Even if by some miracle Gabe Newell still owns the required ~85% of Steam to barely squeak by on federal estate taxes ($16B presumed valuation = ~$5.5 billion tax bill if he owned 85%, leaving him with ~51% after payment), who is taking the reins? - edits - a…

I’d have to assume that a man of his wealth has an army of accountants and attorneys working for him and they have his assets sufficiently shielded from taxes through webs of trusts, shell companies, charitable foundations and so on.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by cortesoft »

slumberlust wrote: post #143
cortesoft wrote: post #135

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I am choosing to let them install kernel level software because I want to be able to play multiplayer games without cheaters. There doesn't seem to be any other way that people have found to effectively block cheaters. A user is in full control of their Linux install, which is great... unless I want to play them in a game and they decide to cheat. It is a tradeoff, yes, but one I choose to make because being able to…

There is a way. Custom servers with commuties police cheaters willingly and consistently. It also lets games exist beyond the corporate lifecycle.

My favorite part about playing Madden and FIFA/FC is that I can login, hit play online, and within 30 seconds I am playing against someone who is pretty close to my skill level.

That is impossible with custom servers. I have played MANY games that are based around custom servers (and still play some today), and there are many great qualities with those types of games. However, you lose that 'find a good game in under a minute' quality.

I am older now, and I don't want to spend the time to find and join custom servers. I don't want to have to talk to people or deal with server admins or get caught up in drama that a community like that can have. I just want to play competitive, fair games.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by cortesoft »

Gigachad wrote: post #137
cortesoft wrote: post #135

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I am choosing to let them install kernel level software because I want to be able to play multiplayer games without cheaters. There doesn't seem to be any other way that people have found to effectively block cheaters. A user is in full control of their Linux install, which is great... unless I want to play them in a game and they decide to cheat. It is a tradeoff, yes, but one I choose to make because being able to…

Just play with your actual friends. If they start cheating you can go over and kick them in the nuts. Match making was a horrible development for gaming.

I play games at odd hours, when I get a chance between a busy life with being a father and working full time. I have a once a week game night with my friends, and we play games together online. However, most of the time I just want to play a few quick games. I don't want to try to organize with friends or do anything like that. I just want to play some people in fun competitive games.

Online matchmaking is what lets that be possible. I used to dream of having something like that, all the way back when I first started playing online games when you had to call your friend, then tell your family not to pick up the phone because it was your friend calling your modem, then lose connection when your sister tried to make a call. I remember having to set up a code with my friend; if the phone rang twice and then hung up, that means the next call would be me on a voice call wanting to talk, otherwise let the modem answer it.

I used to dream about being able to play people at any hour of the day, and now it is possible. It is an amazing invention.

Re: ROG Xbox Ally runs better on Linux than Windows it ships with

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Post by cortesoft »

Gigachad wrote: post #138
cortesoft wrote: post #119

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As an avid gamer for 35+ years, I have played a ton of PvP both locally and online. One of those experiences can't replace the other. I am married with two young children. All of my video game time comes in the hour or two after they go to bed and before I go to bed. I don't have friends around at that time, yet I still want to get some good multiplayer gaming in. Online matchmaking is amazing these days. You are abl…

For most online games, especially ones without chat, playing against sufficiently good bots is better than online. You don’t have to worry about cheating, connection issues, can quit mid game without issue, etc.

That is fine if you feel that way, but I really don't. I get much more satisfaction playing against real people. It just doesn't get my competitive juices flowing in the same way when I play against bots. There is no psychological aspect when you play against bots.

I know what I like.

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