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AI-generated 'poverty porn' fake images being used by aid agencies

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TBF, I just assume everyone is lying (either first hand or second) and its on them to prove to me they're not. Hasn't failed me yet.

It has failed you in ways you can't see, because you've driven away the most reliable people by showing them upfront that you don't trust them. I assume everyone is telling the truth until they've given me a reason not to assume that, and I'd say that hasn't failed me yet.

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What people say to respond to this critique is that high-trust people were always a problem. Low-trust societies have procedures in place that nobody ever considers just skipping because we're both good guys and you're from Boston, too, right? High-trust societies are self-regulating scammers paradises. Filled with people citing Occam's Razor, and affinity fraud. Even worse, for minorities the procedures never get dr…

The kind of high-trust we need to get back (at least here in the states) is the kind between neighbors on the same block. Of course it’s never been wise to trust someone just because you’re both from Boston, but in the past neighbors generally trusted each other and socialized. It’s particularly striking when I visit my parents’ house. I’m a millennial and I don’t even know my neighbors names and my parents, who are…

This is also why parents don't let their kids play outside unsupervised anymore. No trust.

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If you can be beguiled by random images from an unknown solicitor to make rash financial decisions, the root of the problem is probably sitting in front of the screen. "A fool and his money are soon parted" is not a new thing, it's just easier to accomplish than ever before thanks to the dopamine conditioned internet and AI content generation. These victims don't need new legal layers of trust, they need a social med…

That's not the "root" of the problem but just a coping strategy. The root of the problem has something to do with the scammer.

we live in a globalized world of people competing to get money. hoping everyone begins singing kumbaya is nice but far from a practical solution or diagnosis of the problem.

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I wouldn’t describe it as the correct response, more like “the best one we can think of right now.” Living this way is that it’s really exhausting, saps quite a lot of joy out of life and makes people more lonely. It’s far from optimal and a more sustainable option would be to work our way back to the community trust we used to enjoy just ~30 years ago.

We will look back on this age as the one of the uncanny valley before smart screens and speakers arrived that auto-detect and warn about AI generated content.

That’s a nice thought - but I think that screen and speaker makers will be incentivized to explicitly NOT do that through their partnerships with the AI and other conglomerate companies that will be building these tools. (If not flat-out be purchased by AI companies under the guise of safety for those that want it while they quietly nerf the technology)

Re: AI-generated 'poverty porn' fake images being used by aid agencies

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If you can be beguiled by random images from an unknown solicitor to make rash financial decisions, the root of the problem is probably sitting in front of the screen. "A fool and his money are soon parted" is not a new thing, it's just easier to accomplish than ever before thanks to the dopamine conditioned internet and AI content generation. These victims don't need new legal layers of trust, they need a social med…

I have met multiple cybersecurity experts, and they really were experts and in general very intelligent and knowledgeable people, that have fallen for very obvious scams. One of them was one of those gift card scams which in my eyes is possibly the most obvious one. I myself have almost fallen for a well crafted phishing attack, the only reason I never ended up putting in my card details was that I was technical enou…

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I don't know if I'd say that every mistake you've ever made being remembered forever is something to be "gained".

Just to be perfectly clear, "every mistake you've ever made being remembered" is already in place. The only difference is that it is used to profile you and sell you more stuff as opposed building a working community, where 'bad members' can be identified and shamed.

Nah. You're taking too literally something that should only be figurative. Internet advertisers don't remember when you cut someone off in traffic by mistake, or don't wave back one morning when you're feeling grumpy, or you have a disagreement with a customer regarding when work was considered finished.

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“They are so racialised. They should never even let those be published because it’s like the worst stereotypes about Africa, or India, or you name it,” said Alenichev. This is a problem and always has been with AI, people have been saying this for at least a decade at this point. Type in "photorealistic picture of child in refugee camp" in any AI that lets you.

what would your ideal racial probability distribution for someone in a refugee camp be?

Re: AI-generated 'poverty porn' fake images being used by aid agencies

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I can understand that there are some good arguments for using AI generated pics. Using AI means not having to pay for photographers who'd either have to spend a lot of time taking or staging pictures, and not having to pay for their travel expenses which means that money can be spent on aid instead of marketing. Also it can feel a bit exploitative to photograph vulnerable people, especially children. As long as the i…

Take AI out of the conversation. Now revisit the argument that it's OK for people to make fake pics, testimonials, stories, and videos to solicit donations. I'm pretty sure that's just called a con or perhaps fraud in legal terms.

The way I see it: What can I reasonably assume about "the situation on the ground" if you're giving me fake photographs? If an organization is willing to fake one thing, what aren't they willing to fake? Are they faking what they are doing with donation money, too? You have to assume yes if they're willing to fake other things.

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Eastern cultures say the same thing about the influence of the West. Ha!

Because people don’t respect that which they feel they have no connections to or shared community with. The Kumbaya of multiculturalism only goes so far. Assimilation is a requirement, not just a nice thing.

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Re: AI-generated 'poverty porn' fake images being used by aid agencies

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Unfortunately for you, "the government" is not an almighty and all-seeing god, even though hackers worship the government in such a way. Thus those regulations and solutions you are calling for are simply impossible and it won't matter how much money and prayers you send to the government. It won't change reality.

I'm probably misunderstanding because this seems bad faith. Isn't it obvious the government isn't an all seeing god? All regulations are imperfectly written and imperfectly enforced but many seem to have impact. I'm not sure if regulating this is feasible or not but it's not immediately obvious it's impossible to some extent.

It's become a trope of HN that the first, second or third top-level comment for any and every subject will be somebody calling for government regulations.

In this case, it's calling for government regulations to make sure that people do not lie. Good luck with that, I say. Those are regulations which will be guaranteed to be imperfectly written and imperfectly enforced, and smart people - like the commenter I replied to - should understand that.

Unless you are of the faith that "the government" is an almighty and all-seeing god, which to be fair is what many people think and why government worship is the largest religion on the planet right now. Both in devotion of the believers, in tithes paid, and in willingness to kill for and die for the faith.

What will happen in reality if the government regulates picture veracity like suggested is this:

- Any pictures (real or manipulated or generated) which are in line with government policies and ideology will be marked as 100% true, real and verified.

- All pictures (real or manipulated or generated) which go against government policies and ideology will be marked as 100% fake and lies.

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