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Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

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Post by red-iron-pine »

jappgar wrote: post #36
mihaaly wrote: post #33

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Oh, Jesus!! This f shameless pretention of doing something noble - barely helpful above normal practices btw. - while manipulating clueless users into turning on mass-surveillance is revolting and disgusting. And ordinary employees figured this out, phrased, created content, implemmented, pubished, and are maintaining this dirty practice. Many times with (very misplaced) pride. Shame on all of them actively participa…

Shame on the idiots who place a webcam on their front doorstep too.

plenty of good use cases for it, and the popularity of the devices speak for themselves.

just don't get ones owned by evil megacorps who have openly said they'll sell access to ICE

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Post by Aurornis »

throwway120385 wrote: post #119
nerdponx wrote: post #77

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Pros: potentially greater safety for police and EMS when dealing with touchy people, obvious benefits for fire rescue (assuming it works in a fire). Cons: use your imagination.

The police have a very safe job, generally. They've done studies and construction workers have a much higher rate of injury and death than the police in the US. People have this idea that being a police officer is really unsafe and that they're throwing themselves in the line of danger just by doing their jobs, but most people are law-abiding and civil. There are people who are not, but that's not a good reason for t…

> They've done studies and construction workers have a much higher rate of injury and death than the police in the US.

Sure, but both construction worker and police officer are significantly more dangerous jobs than most of us here have sitting behind a desk.

Obviously it’s not a job where people are dying routinely, but suggesting death or serious injury are the only two risks of interacting with the public and responding to threatening or unstable situations is ignoring the reality. It’s a tough job. Much tougher than my time spent sitting at a desk.

Re: Amazon’s Ring to partner with Flock

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Post by red-iron-pine »

somenameforme wrote: post #75
nrjames wrote: post #54

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When a man murdered a woman in front of my house last year, our Ring camera's photos of his car led to his arrest within 24 hours, so not entirely useless?

I think a good thought experiment to consider, in terms of defining what your own views are, is to consider that if every single person had a mandatory 24/7 uplinked camera on them with redundancies, then the number of unsolved crimes would rapidly approach zero. It would be essentially impossible to get away with crime, so the only crimes that would happen would be those of passion, ignorance, or the political elite…

> 40,000+ people die per year because of our freedom to drive, yet few would ever use that as an argument to prohibit driving.

that is a fantastic argument to force reduced driving and shows up in virtually all discussions about car safety and public transit.

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Post by Ekaros »

CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #5
touwer wrote: post #4

Big tech is nothing different from the German industrialists one hundred years ago

If history has thought us anything, it has to be that capitalists have absolutely no spine and only think about profits, no matter what.

Ofc they do not. It is only about making money. As is free market. Actually they will always trade morals for profits if possible.

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Post by egberts1 »

nbngeorcjhe wrote: post #88
mikkupikku wrote: post #30

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Seems like a fairly impractical thing to map unless you're getting volunteers to walk up to and inspect people's front doors. I know there is an app for a sort of gamified version of this where people take tasks to verify street signs or even how many stories a building has, I used that app for a while, but doorbell mapping seems a lot leas casual.

apparently Ring LLC has their own OUI [0]. I wonder if you could wardrive around and identify cameras by their MAC address [0] https://maclookup.app/vendors/ring-llc

Yes

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Post by IAmBroom »

throwway120385 wrote: post #116
InsideOutSanta wrote: post #93

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"Just trust us, the people on that boat were definitely smuggling drugs."

"The guys we blew up with a drone were definitely jihadists."

Not any better, nor different, than a missile from a piloted plane, or a guided missile.

Yes, the current administration is morally capable of destroying random ships to claim victories over "bad guys". But they always had that ability.

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Post by reaperducer »

mlinhares wrote: post #123
throwway120385 wrote: post #119

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The police have a very safe job, generally. They've done studies and construction workers have a much higher rate of injury and death than the police in the US. People have this idea that being a police officer is really unsafe and that they're throwing themselves in the line of danger just by doing their jobs, but most people are law-abiding and civil. There are people who are not, but that's not a good reason for t…

Its great for the narrative though, if you don't think they're special human beings risking their lives every day to save you how else can you convince the general population they should venerate them?

if you don't think they're special human beings risking their lives every day to save you how else can you convince the general population they should venerate them?

Along those lines, I think it's weird that in some cities, a cop who dies choking on a chicken bone on his day off in his own kitchen gets the same benefits and massive traffic-clogging live-streamed publicly-funded funeral with politicians and media spectacle as a cop who gets killed by a bad guy while on duty.

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Post by hopelite »

c0balt wrote: post #3
sriram_malhar wrote: post #2

Of course they are.

I'm surprised they weren't already, if one discards the ethical and moral issues (like one would expect from an Amazon product), they do have a lot of opportunities for working with each others data.

This is just the systemization, scaling of what existed previously. It's a rather predictable pattern at this point in America. Introduction through innocuous means, expansion through a combination of convenience and fear, then systematic expansion once the slaves have become accustomed to the new state of things. It's a rather common ratcheting normalization staircase.

Even public information clearly describes how it is the "CIAs" one trick pony, whether it's orchestrating a "color revolution" for "democracy", instigating conflicts and war to feign innocent self-defense, implementing social engineering and Constitutional subversion, or implementing mass surveillance specifically. It's the same wife-beater and child rapist type pattern of grooming abuse that then feigns innocence and deflects blame to anything and anyone else.

Most people are really not all that different than any run of the mill battered wife (even if only in the making), psychologically. I get it a lot when I point out what a trap and an illegitimate, enemy entity that the EU is (not to pick on the EU, because it also applies to the US and many other places, but it's far more pronounced with the "EU-cultists")... You get the constant predictable defenses of the love-bombing "abusive boyfriend"/wife beater in the making responses. "you don't understand", "the EU really loves me", "you never want anything good for me", "he showers me with all kinds of benefits and slick marketing", "we are going to be happy forever".

It's sad, and as someone that has watched that cycle unfold even in my own family, it's really kind of demoralizing and somewhat depressing to know exactly where it's heading and being unable to counter the forces that have roots a long long time ago, forces of nature. So, the US and the EU will have to suffer that which is predictable and was preventable, no matter how much they wanted to see the world through rose colored glasses.

Maybe for humanity's sake, China can free the world of the scourge of this cycle and the psychopathic, narcissistic, maniacal group of people that causes it all... if they don't just kill all life on the planet because if they can't be in control then no one can be in control.

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