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Re: iPad Pro with M5 chip

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Post by SkyPuncher »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #130
SkyPuncher wrote: post #59

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My sister in law has used an iPad as here primary compute device for school. Frankly, it works absolutely fine for her. 95% of her need is reading, email, and writing papers (in Google Drive).

> 95% of her need is reading, email, and writing papers Sure, it's great for that kind of (computationally) light work, but then what's the point of putting a monster like the M5 chip in it?

My understanding is battery life. I have no idea how accurate this is, but somebody basically graphed what I was thinking: https://techboards.net/threads/power-curves-of-a17.4348/

You put a bigger chip in so you can run it at lower power consumption levels. Essentially, there are two ways this can pan out:

* Overall utilization can remain lower, keeping it in a more power efficient band.

* Expensive actions complete faster, thus using less power (since they run for less time).

From an overall business perspective, there also doesn't really seem to be a reason to _not_ standardize the lineup on a single chip. I have to imagine is less overhead from a manufacturing standpoint and it's not like there's a particularly meaningful difference in manufacturing costs of these chips.

Re: iPad Pro with M5 chip

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Post by ako »

poisonborz wrote: post #55
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #28

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What doesn’t the OS do as of OS 26 that most ordinary people care about?

"Ordinary people" wouldn't care about anything above even an M1 CPU. The post is about the iPad Pro. The target audience would care about having the software features that macOS has.

Not true, it’s a pretty good machine to edit videos on, extra cpu/gpu power is welcome there. I connect it to an external monitor, keyboard and mouse and use Final Cut Pro to edit videos. On holidays I can connect my action cam to the iPad, download the videos and edit them, without having to bring a laptop.

Re: iPad Pro with M5 chip

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

overgard wrote: post #131
SkyPuncher wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My sister in law has used an iPad as here primary compute device for school. Frankly, it works absolutely fine for her. 95% of her need is reading, email, and writing papers (in Google Drive).

I guess that's fine, but if that's all you're doing you could easily just get a hundred dollar chromebook. The marketing for this references things like transcode performance for Final Cut Pro. Implying that you would use it for some sort of serious computing task.

> you could easily just get a hundred dollar chromebook

Terrible battery life by comparison. Worse display. Not as swift at video playback. And with LLMs on the rise, less locally capable.

Re: iPad Pro with M5 chip

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Post by tyleo »

overgard wrote: post #37

I get the impression they're trying to market this to laptop users. I'm still very skeptical of iPads as a productivity device. The problem isn't the hardware, it's the OS, the app store and the model for selling apps. Apple's app store policies make it hard to sell expensive software (which most productivity apps are somewhat expensive), it also makes it hard to distribute free software (as in open source -- because…

I did a performance test over the weekend of compilation times across 4 projects using 4 devices.

My M4 MacBook Pro is faster than my modern i9 desktop that work spent $$$ on...

iPad feels like a genie trapped in a bottle to me. It has that same M4 but there's so much less to use it for. Too bad I can't just set it by my PC and throw workloads at the processor or something. Continuity works well enough as a second screen but I'd love a second M4 CPU.

Re: iPad Pro with M5 chip

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Post by overgard »

recursive wrote: post #132
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 95% of her need is reading, email, and writing papers Sure, it's great for that kind of (computationally) light work, but then what's the point of putting a monster like the M5 chip in it?

Smooth animation for throw-away-coded SPAs.

The target hardware for vibe coded startups!

Re: iPad Pro with M5 chip

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Post by monkmartinez »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #89
JodieBenitez wrote: post #56

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> a method to share files across apps that’s already available like a filesystem ?

You didn’t answer the question, what feature can’t you do with the Files App and the ability to save and load files across applications?

How do you know you have the right application to open the file? I have tried at least a dozen apps to open *.stl files... some work, most don't. Some have features I need and don't work opening files. Some are sensitive to stl's that require repair and stop working... and I could go on and on for different file types. The point is; sharing isn't "guaranteed" to work across apps and is generally far, far from "it just works". You have almost zero control over the actual files because there might not be a way to save different formats from the app you are using, or the files app doesn't recognize the extension, or you can't find the folder for the other app, or it doesn't have a user accessible folder, or it will not load files from the "files app"... or . The whole things just sucks so, so bad.

Re: iPad Pro with M5 chip

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Post by overgard »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #143
overgard wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess that's fine, but if that's all you're doing you could easily just get a hundred dollar chromebook. The marketing for this references things like transcode performance for Final Cut Pro. Implying that you would use it for some sort of serious computing task.

> you could easily just get a hundred dollar chromebook Terrible battery life by comparison. Worse display. Not as swift at video playback. And with LLMs on the rise, less locally capable.

I don't think the "I just need to edit things in google drive crowd" overlaps much with the "I want to run a local LLM on a tablet" crowd.

Anyway my point isn't that people shouldn't buy iPads, my point is that it's silly that Apple has hardware that is incredibly capable and is held back entirely by terrible software policies.

Re: iPad Pro with M5 chip

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

monkmartinez wrote: post #140
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #42

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What’s not “normal” about the files and why do most people need access to the file system and not a method to share files across apps that’s already available?

Do you use "files"? Its garbargio on steroids. You can't just open a file from the files app. Moving files around is cumbersome at best and downright infuriating most of the time. The "sandbox" nature of iOS is simply not intuitive enough to know how things will react when you move and try to open a file in another app. It just sucks so bad. Furthermore, "sharing" is broken. Does it copy the file? Does it move the fi…

You can’t open random file extensions on a computer either unless you have an application that understand the format.

Moving files around works just like on Windows and Macs - cut and paste.

And it has the same semantics as Windows and Macs - if I drag a file from one place to another on the same drive - it moves it. If I drag it to another storage location - ie another hard drive on a computer or another storage provider in Files - iCloud, Google Drive, etc it copies it.

It never ceases to amaze me that when computer “experts” criticize people for not wanting to learn how things work - do the same.

Re: iPad Pro with M5 chip

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Post by mbgerring »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #89
JodieBenitez wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a method to share files across apps that’s already available like a filesystem ?

You didn’t answer the question, what feature can’t you do with the Files App and the ability to save and load files across applications?

- Rename, organize, and delete files that span across a number of different applications

- Convert one file type to another

- Choose which application to use to open a file

- Inspect the details of files in a consistent manner

Re: iPad Pro with M5 chip

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

monkmartinez wrote: post #146
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You didn’t answer the question, what feature can’t you do with the Files App and the ability to save and load files across applications?

How do you know you have the right application to open the file? I have tried at least a dozen apps to open *.stl files... some work, most don't. Some have features I need and don't work opening files. Some are sensitive to stl's that require repair and stop working... and I could go on and on for different file types. The point is; sharing isn't "guaranteed" to work across apps and is generally far, far from "it jus…

And how do you know a Word file will work seamlessly across other word processors on a computer that are suppose to read Word files or export to Word? What modern productivity software doesn’t support using the Files app? It has been around for well over a decade.
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