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KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

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Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

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Post by tuna74 »

dapperdrake wrote: post #36
frameset wrote: post #25

I'm absolutely loving KDE since I returned to desktop Linux after a long absence. What really shocks me is how few of the big distros make KDE a default or "first class" DE choice. If I was a novice user coming from Windows, I'd much prefer KDE, which if you stick to the GUI is very navigable and similar in some ways.

GNOME essentially gutted itself when it switched away from GNOME 2. Somehow they still stuck around as a broken default. Go figure. IIRC, then a lot of documentation still mentions GNOME first and then KDE second. Furthermore, Ubuntu without the prefix is GNOME. Kubuntu is KDE. And all the others like Lubuntu, etc. all seem "special" to casual users. Think of what the average university student installs in a VM, when…

"How do you know if someone does not like Gnome?

Don't worry, they will tell you."

It is very rare that people who use Gnome feel the need to shit on other DEs, but the opposite seems to be pretty common.

Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

#142

Post by tuna74 »

Spunkie wrote: post #81
bogwog wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And GNOME lives on as a sorry excuse for a bad copy of MacOS desktop looks without the feel. This is an inaccurate description. GNOME is a copy of (the worst parts of) Windows 8 and Mac OS, not just Mac OS. But seriously, GNOME isn't that bad, and there are people who genuinely enjoy it over KDE. Choice is what makes the Linux ecosystem great. However, I do agree that KDE is probably a saner default than GNOME, if…

If I look back at it, GNOME is likely responsible for me abandoning all of my attempts to transition to linux when I was younger. I had no idea KDE or alt desktop environments even existed back then and even now distros don't make it easy to discover/experiment with them. It's to the point I have some internal bias against trusting any distro that uses GNOME as the default. I hope in the future KDE overtakes GNOME to…

The most used Linux user space is Android and the second is probably ChromeOS.

Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

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Post by sombragris »

OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #90
janwl wrote: post #58

>Case in point: Microsoft is stopping free support for Windows 10 on hundreds of millions of computers this very week. Many of these old yet perfectly usable devices will not be able to upgrade because of spurious hardware requirements. Microsoft’s solution? “Throw away your computer and pollute the planet because we want to make even more money.” Windows 10 was released in 2015. Does KDE still support whatever versi…

KDE 5 was released in 2015 and still supported on Arch Linux. Even KDE 3, released in, 2002 is still supported and installable: https://www.trinitydesktop.org/

Also supported in Slackware 15.0 (stable) and Slackware -current, where it is still the default desktop environment and the planned desktop for the upcoming 15.1 release.

(I'm using Plasma 6.5 beta now btw but the official support still is on 5.x.)

Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

#144

Post by bmicraft »

tuna74 wrote: post #141
dapperdrake wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GNOME essentially gutted itself when it switched away from GNOME 2. Somehow they still stuck around as a broken default. Go figure. IIRC, then a lot of documentation still mentions GNOME first and then KDE second. Furthermore, Ubuntu without the prefix is GNOME. Kubuntu is KDE. And all the others like Lubuntu, etc. all seem "special" to casual users. Think of what the average university student installs in a VM, when…

"How do you know if someone does not like Gnome? Don't worry, they will tell you." It is very rare that people who use Gnome feel the need to shit on other DEs, but the opposite seems to be pretty common.

Not surprising, when gnome it's already the default everywhere.

GNOME is polarizing with its feature minimalism and non-traditional desktop, and many people therefore are unhappy it's the default choice in all the big distros.

Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

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Post by outadoc »

Sammi wrote: post #43
outadoc wrote: post #29

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I can easily see a novice user coming from Windows accidentally getting into the edit mode of Plasma and being completely confused. I like KDE as an advanced user but I wouldn't install it on my grandma's laptop. I agree that it would be great to have it as a first-class citizen in more distros, but I guess the maintenance burden is not negligible. I'm glad Fedora promoted it though.

The average Linux user is not your grandma and lets not overstate how easy it is to mess up your KDE config. Most of the config ui in KDE is delightful compared to other desktop environments, and most non-technical users would shy away from even trying to fiddle with technical stuff. And those that do fiddle and mess up are likely to have a technical person at hand to help them, because someone had to install Linux f…

"Novice" is not "average"

Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

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Post by dingnuts »

tuna74 wrote: post #141
dapperdrake wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GNOME essentially gutted itself when it switched away from GNOME 2. Somehow they still stuck around as a broken default. Go figure. IIRC, then a lot of documentation still mentions GNOME first and then KDE second. Furthermore, Ubuntu without the prefix is GNOME. Kubuntu is KDE. And all the others like Lubuntu, etc. all seem "special" to casual users. Think of what the average university student installs in a VM, when…

"How do you know if someone does not like Gnome? Don't worry, they will tell you." It is very rare that people who use Gnome feel the need to shit on other DEs, but the opposite seems to be pretty common.

That's a wild anecdote. I avoided KDE for YEARS because the guy that got me into desktop Linux told me it was terrible and I took his advice as a given. He and the folks he introduced me to all talked massive shit about KDE, and they used Gnome.

This was back around the time Gnome 3 came out.

Oh and when I switched to Plasma two years ago, a GNOME user I used to be friends with came out of the woodwork to tell me how shit KDE is

keep your anecdotal stereotypes to yourself bud. Maybe the real anecdote is that the people you know are unpleasant?

notably, I'm not in contact with the people I've told this story about, anymore.

Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

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Post by bmicraft »

amlib wrote: post #125
dapperdrake wrote: post #36

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GNOME essentially gutted itself when it switched away from GNOME 2. Somehow they still stuck around as a broken default. Go figure. IIRC, then a lot of documentation still mentions GNOME first and then KDE second. Furthermore, Ubuntu without the prefix is GNOME. Kubuntu is KDE. And all the others like Lubuntu, etc. all seem "special" to casual users. Think of what the average university student installs in a VM, when…

> GNOME essentially gutted itself when it switched away from GNOME 2. It gutted itself because quite frankly it was anemic at best. I was a heavy KDE 3 user back then and I vastly preferred it compared to gnome 2, but as a long time linux user I also recognize that ALL desktop linux solutions were pretty rough back them. This "gutting" was certainly painful and questionable but what we have today, KDE 6 (it also went…

Minor correction, the K Desktop Environment is instead called KDE Plasma starting with version 4

Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

#148

Post by bmicraft »

dapperdrake wrote: post #75
wkat4242 wrote: post #65

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Kubuntu isn't really feature complete compared to Ubuntu, for example the installer doesn't allow to create a zfs on root install.

Wow. Ran Kubuntu and never noticed this. This makes the "special" Unbuntu derivatives even less interesting to casual users.

Zfs is pretty much the only thing, everything else is exactly the same after the system is installed

Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

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Post by MegaDeKay »

WD-42 wrote: post #112
guerrilla wrote: post #89

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It's not just worse. It's MUCH worse. I'm in the same boat. I want to change but I don't know what to and haven't had the energy to put into that yet. This desktop is dead though and they're just beating it's dead corpse at this point. I've tried KDE a few times and it was just too disorganized for me, so I might just do something simpler like awesome or one of those tiling things and add in what I want. I used to ju…

It’s far from dead. Take a look at the gnome circle apps as a demonstration of how many good applications are being written for gnome these days. I believe a large part of this is due to the fact that to use QT you are still stuck with either C++ or Python, whereas there are a ton of gnome apps being written in JS and Rust now.

These are pretty small apps. "Binary" converts numbers between bases. Wonderful.

Meanwhile, more than a few large applications have switched away from GTK to Qt including Wireshark, Openshot, and now Audacity. How many large apps have switched the other way?

Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

#150

Post by jcelerier »

WD-42 wrote: post #112
guerrilla wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just worse. It's MUCH worse. I'm in the same boat. I want to change but I don't know what to and haven't had the energy to put into that yet. This desktop is dead though and they're just beating it's dead corpse at this point. I've tried KDE a few times and it was just too disorganized for me, so I might just do something simpler like awesome or one of those tiling things and add in what I want. I used to ju…

It’s far from dead. Take a look at the gnome circle apps as a demonstration of how many good applications are being written for gnome these days. I believe a large part of this is due to the fact that to use QT you are still stuck with either C++ or Python, whereas there are a ton of gnome apps being written in JS and Rust now.

> QT you are still stuck with either C++ or Python,

... most Qt apps use QML / QtQuick which is based on ES7 ?

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