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i'm fine with upholding laws, but secret police are bullshit. we have a serious problem with police accountability in the USA, they shouldn't be allowed to obscure their badge number and face, as that only encourages bad behavior.

ICE is not police, they are federal law enforcers. There is a difference.

I 100% agree, if an ICE agent breaks the law they should be held accountable just like a local police officer.

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Have you considered that it doesn’t matter that what they’re doing is legal? You don’t need to know if it’s legal or illegal to know that it is wrong. It is against the spirit of this nation (or, perversely, you could say it’s the intrinsic spirit of this nation coming out…). There are plenty of things legal which are wrong. That anyone is defending these actions by claiming to do them “legally” is a means of saving…

This is not a humanity issue, this is a legal one. The president ran on removing people from this country who entered the country illegally. He is executing what he ran on and what the people voted for. I don't personally approve of all the tactics that are being used, however it is clear that some cities are not in favor of these Federal laws at all no mater which tactic is used. I also realize how quickly these con…

> This is not a humanity issue, this is a legal one.

Its only not a humanity issue if you have no humanity, but, even so, it is also an issue where the President has been violating more than executing the law,

Re: Don't Be a Sucker (1943) [video]

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The "tech elite" making actual decisions are not reading and commenting on HN. A startup CTO or a Amazon Director is not part of the "elite."

It is fair to assume that some suckers are reading though.

Is anyone who voted for Trump a sucker?

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The partisan act is the description of what is going on. Can you show that the arrests are unlawful? Or else what exactly is your basis for the use of the term "kidnapping"?

How about "Federal judge rules ICE arrests at Liberty restaurant unlawful"? Does this meet your standard? https://fox4kc.com/news/federal-judge-rules-ice-arrests-at-l...

This is good, in means we have checks and balances. I don't have the details of this particular case, but does it mean every action ICE takes is illegal?

If someone breaks the law ICE or otherwise, there should be enforcement and justice.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-104publ208/pdf/PLAW...

Re: Don't Be a Sucker (1943) [video]

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post #133

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Jesus H. Christ. Are we now trying to make our racism sound acceptable by sprinkling it with scientific concepts like Bayesian thinking?

If Iryna Zarutska were more Bayesian, the correct prejudice and acceptable amount of racism would have saved her life. Unfortunately for her, her priors were from .ua, not .us.

This is probably the stupidest thread I've ever had the displeasure of reading. In the U.S., most homicide perpetrators are white. And it is extremely rare for a Black person to intentionally kill a white person.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-...

Re: Don't Be a Sucker (1943) [video]

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post #112

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Have you considered that it doesn’t matter that what they’re doing is legal? You don’t need to know if it’s legal or illegal to know that it is wrong. It is against the spirit of this nation (or, perversely, you could say it’s the intrinsic spirit of this nation coming out…). There are plenty of things legal which are wrong. That anyone is defending these actions by claiming to do them “legally” is a means of saving…

Common sense retort (on the level of Asmongold): If you do not agree with a law (on moral grounds or whatever other reason), you do not get to selectively ignore it. Your options in this society are to either put up with it, or lobby to change it. If you want for society to better align with your values, then lobby to fix the problems that made the introduction of the existing laws a necessity.

I don’t see how this retort applies to this conversation.

Do you think the executive branch was selectively ignoring the law by not sending asylum seekers to El Salvador under previous administrations?

The law is selectively and capriciously enforced all the time. Jay walking, tax evasion, speed limits, etc.

At the risk of repeating myself (selectively) “enforcing the law” is a great excuse for budding authoritarians, to save face with the segment of the population who struggle to discern right from wrong, and depend upon “the legal system” to make that distinction for them. You could dress up any behavior in the language of legal enforcement and necessary expressions of sovereignty, and that will apparently be enough for some people.

Re: Don't Be a Sucker (1943) [video]

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post #112

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Have you considered that it doesn’t matter that what they’re doing is legal? You don’t need to know if it’s legal or illegal to know that it is wrong. It is against the spirit of this nation (or, perversely, you could say it’s the intrinsic spirit of this nation coming out…). There are plenty of things legal which are wrong. That anyone is defending these actions by claiming to do them “legally” is a means of saving…

This is not a humanity issue, this is a legal one. The president ran on removing people from this country who entered the country illegally. He is executing what he ran on and what the people voted for. I don't personally approve of all the tactics that are being used, however it is clear that some cities are not in favor of these Federal laws at all no mater which tactic is used. I also realize how quickly these con…

What if immigration courts are also starting to target people who came here legally? (Green card holders)

What if they begin to find “clerical errors” in their applications that suggest their immigration status is “fraudulent and illegal”?

And what if they begin to target naturalized citizens, but only ones who had the misfortune of being born in “terrorists countries” like China and Venezuela and Iran?

At what point would you say that they’ve gone too far?

You have to recognize that the humanity of these people is worth more than their “legal immigration status”. The spirit of this country must continue to be the Statue of Liberty, not devolved into an ICE detention center.

Re: Don't Be a Sucker (1943) [video]

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One very interesting aspect is how the Churches are portrayed as "seeking truth" and speaking out in this piece. In the US today it is reversed - in large part due to Baptists. But even in Nazi Germany the relationship between the Church and Hitler was much more complicated than portrayed. For instance, many Catholics supported the NSDAP.

It's the same with Trump. He doesn't care about religion but he'll say and behave in certain ones sometimes to appease the religious base (only until they fall for his scam).
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