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Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Post by trhway »

markus_zhang wrote: post #109
trhway wrote: post #97

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I always wondered how the large unified world of Roman Empire with running water and sewer fell apart (and backwards) into multitude of small feudal pieces with no technology to speak of for the 1000 years after Roman Empire. I think our modern civilization is probably at the beginning of similar process.

I think we are fine in term of infra -- I don't work as a civil engineer, but considering companies in my city repair the roads every year /s they probably retain the knowledge.

The infra today is internet and semiconductors which run it, as well as global shipping without each we end up without even necessities.

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Post by mgh95 »

mk89 wrote: post #134
corimaith wrote: post #95

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Economic Nationalism is not Communism by any sense. Nor is responding to mercantilism. But the CCP explicitly considers themselves Marxism-Leninism with and their internal beliefs and government structure is structurally follows that. We consider them Communists and they consider themselves Communist. They do not consider us Communist and we don't either. You're trying to create a false conflation here and stir divis…

You can call it Economic nationalism all you want, but these are similar principles that were applied in authoritarian states like in Fascist/Nazi times. I don't care if they are Communists - we call them like that to say "they're authoritarian", however, we're failing to see where we (West) are getting. In order to "defend" our democracy we're becoming increasingly like them. To think that all that it takes would be…

> You can call it Economic nationalism all you want, but these are similar principles that were applied in authoritarian states like in Fascist/Nazi times.

Simply because economic nationalism is a characteristic of authoritarian state and has been a characteristic of fascist (Italian fascism, especially) and Nazis does not imply economic nationalism is intrinsically authoritarian fascist.

America for much of its history was protectionist. Europe remains a bloc intended to protect local industries characteristic of national identity, for example the rejection of Mercosur by the French. India seeks to grow its domestic titans and shut out foreign firms while purchasing abroad through activities such as the ArcelorMittal acquisition.

Economic nationalism is very much its own independent theme.

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Post by itopaloglu83 »

HPsquared wrote: post #136
itopaloglu83 wrote: post #133

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Everybody is a fan of free access and capital markets, until a foreign entity purchases something of importance. It’s a continuation of recent trends and closing markets. Nobody in their sane mind would allow a company like ASML or the likes to be purchased by competitors. But the irony is that when a non-European entity were to do something like this, e.g. nationalize their oil or mining etc. industry or a firm, the…

"For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law."

I wonder how this would affect patent applications, since after such an event, some countries might not respect patents for their internal markets.

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Post by bfg_9k »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #137
reliabilityguy wrote: post #129

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> As soon as it gets inconvenient or the table is turned, they are dropped like a hot potato. I am confused. Are non-“western” stars/nations better in this regard? I am not sure I understand what you are trying to say.

It doesn't matter if they are better or worse. Your own principles should not be things that shift based on what somebody else does.

Principles don't exist in a vacuum. When viewing someone else, you only consider them 'principled' because of the context they exist in.

In a world where everyone donates 50% of their pay check to charity, the person who donates 25% is considered selfish.

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Post by jasonwatkinspdx »

HSO wrote: post #106
yoavm wrote: post #85

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So what exactly are you learning in this case from the actions, the data, the private citizens or the scholars, that is so different from "Western" explanations?

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Do you have anything to say that isn't childish spleen venting?

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Post by infinet »

tmnvix wrote: post #17
Doxin wrote: post #5

Some more context from a dutch news source[0]: The ministry of economic affairs intervened out of a fear that crucial technological skills and capacities will leave the Netherlands and Europe. The ministry stated in a press release[1] that there was a threat of a "knowledge leak" (w/e that means exactly) and a possible threat to the European economy. After this intervention the Dutch government can now stop or revers…

> For context, the law that allows this all to happen was passed in 1952 and has never before been used. Interesting parallel here with China recently invoking - for the first time - their own legislation from the 50's to ban rare earth exports for military uses.

Netherlands imported more CeO2 (a rare earth) from China than any other country, with 517 metric tons during the first half of 2025.

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Post by trhway »

selimthegrim wrote: post #105
trhway wrote: post #97

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I always wondered how the large unified world of Roman Empire with running water and sewer fell apart (and backwards) into multitude of small feudal pieces with no technology to speak of for the 1000 years after Roman Empire. I think our modern civilization is probably at the beginning of similar process.

Why stop there why not Indus Valley Civilization

our knowledge (at least my knowledge of it) is much much smaller that that of Roman Empire, and in particular i don't know whether the fall of that civilization demonstrated the effect of splitting into multitude technologically inferior pieces stagnating for such a long time after that.

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Post by incompatible »

itopaloglu83 wrote: post #133
Doxin wrote: post #5

Some more context from a dutch news source[0]: The ministry of economic affairs intervened out of a fear that crucial technological skills and capacities will leave the Netherlands and Europe. The ministry stated in a press release[1] that there was a threat of a "knowledge leak" (w/e that means exactly) and a possible threat to the European economy. After this intervention the Dutch government can now stop or revers…

Everybody is a fan of free access and capital markets, until a foreign entity purchases something of importance. It’s a continuation of recent trends and closing markets. Nobody in their sane mind would allow a company like ASML or the likes to be purchased by competitors. But the irony is that when a non-European entity were to do something like this, e.g. nationalize their oil or mining etc. industry or a firm, the…

This has always been the case, to some degree, but I think it will be a much bigger factor now that so many have accepted that Neoliberalism is dead and no longer give it lip service.

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Post by nudgeee »

galangalalgol wrote: post #135
khuey wrote: post #92

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Nexperia was also spun off to placate Chinese regulators back when Qualcomm wanted to acquire NXP, and then after the spin off the Chinese regulators still refused to approve the acquisition.

Does that mean teensy mcu are now chinese owned? That was one of the last non chinese mcu available.

Teensy is based on iMXRT which are NXP, not Nexperia.

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Post by ahartmetz »

HSO wrote: post #66
Doxin wrote: post #5

Some more context from a dutch news source[0]: The ministry of economic affairs intervened out of a fear that crucial technological skills and capacities will leave the Netherlands and Europe. The ministry stated in a press release[1] that there was a threat of a "knowledge leak" (w/e that means exactly) and a possible threat to the European economy. After this intervention the Dutch government can now stop or revers…

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Oh please take that crackpot stuff to 4chan or something.

I can read about both sides of the Gaza conflict just fine in evil Western media. It is quite plain to see (read) that Israel is doing some really bad shit there after an, in the grand scheme of things, "less bad" attack on itself. About the pandemic... yes, mistakes were made. There was a dangerous situation and no one was really sure what to do. It's like some people realized for the first time that the government has power and that it isn't always acting in the way they'd prefer. Big fucking deal. I guess a lot of people didn't really understand how the world around them is structured before it bit them in the ass. It's not that bad though, compared to other places and times in the world.

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