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Re: LineageOS 23

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Post by strcat »

Semaphor wrote: post #50
ayatollah wrote: post #35

Over recent user privacy (and security) crackdowns from Google, these OS upgrades seem to be becoming more appealing. Can anyone comment on what differs Lineage from something like GrapheneOS?

Security & Privacy: GrapheneOS Freedom & Features: LineageOS That is not to say you have no freedom or extra features with Graphene, or no security with Lineage, it’s just what either project has very clearly as main target. I do miss some features since switching to GrapheneOS (customizable on screen nav, volume rocker for cursor control), but I’m very happy with stuff like sandboxed google play services.

GrapheneOS provides a lot of features not available in LineageOS. Our focus for is privacy, security and replacing Google apps/services. The features we add aren't only privacy and security features. We provide our own network location and geocoding support. Local text-to-speech and speech-to-text are being developed. It also provides a bunch of assorted features such as forcing the availability of VoLTE, VoNR, VoWiFi and 5G.

https://grapheneos.org/features is an overview of what's provided compared to AOSP but doesn't cover everything yet, especially recent additions.

Re: LineageOS 23

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Post by fsflover »

palata wrote: post #137
nunobrito wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is little point in fortifying the front-door when the backdoor is wide open. The hardware itself should never be trusted when being produced by a vendor like Google and cannot be verified on the component level. Their business model completely revolves in reducing your private sphere and sell it to others. Never use google hardware if you are serious about security.

This is nonsense. If your threat model is that you cannot trust the Pixel hardware, then you cannot trust any smartphone or computer at all, period.

I trust smartphones with open schematics. Not because it's impossible to hide a backdoor but because it's harder.

Re: LineageOS 23

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Post by strcat »

palata wrote: post #100
ayatollah wrote: post #35

Over recent user privacy (and security) crackdowns from Google, these OS upgrades seem to be becoming more appealing. Can anyone comment on what differs Lineage from something like GrapheneOS?

I have used both, and I can personally use my smartphone properly with both. GrapheneOS is more strict about security, making it more secure but less accessible (at the moment you can only run GrapheneOS on Pixel phones). I am happy with GrapheneOS' policy: that's exactly why I use GrapheneOS, to the point where I bought a Pixel just for GrapheneOS. Many people complain about GrapheneOS not supporting other phones. I…

GrapheneOS is partnered with a major Android OEM we're working with towards their next generation devices supporting GrapheneOS. The devices will meet all of our official requirements listed at https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices rather than lowering these standards. We kept the minimum support time at 5 years since we know providing 7 is difficult but all the rest should be possible to provide via a Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5.

Re: LineageOS 23

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Post by nunobrito »

palata wrote: post #137
nunobrito wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is little point in fortifying the front-door when the backdoor is wide open. The hardware itself should never be trusted when being produced by a vendor like Google and cannot be verified on the component level. Their business model completely revolves in reducing your private sphere and sell it to others. Never use google hardware if you are serious about security.

This is nonsense. If your threat model is that you cannot trust the Pixel hardware, then you cannot trust any smartphone or computer at all, period.

That is incorrect. There are more reasons for a major US-government contractor to implant spyware on their hardware to hand our privacy on a plate to alphabet agencies than a generic cheap android without a known brand.

This doesn't mean the cheap device arrives without spyware, likely the difference is the spyware being monitored by chinese rather than US agencies so pick your poison. I'll pick mine.

Re: LineageOS 23

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Post by nunobrito »

fsflover wrote: post #142
palata wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is nonsense. If your threat model is that you cannot trust the Pixel hardware, then you cannot trust any smartphone or computer at all, period.

I trust smartphones with open schematics. Not because it's impossible to hide a backdoor but because it's harder.

Exactly.

Re: LineageOS 23

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Post by strcat »

fsflover wrote: post #142
palata wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is nonsense. If your threat model is that you cannot trust the Pixel hardware, then you cannot trust any smartphone or computer at all, period.

I trust smartphones with open schematics. Not because it's impossible to hide a backdoor but because it's harder.

Open schematics for a PCB don't make it any harder to hide a backdoor. You're talking about devices which still have an entirely closed source SoC with all of the real complexity. The products you're repeatedly marketing here use a bunch of low end components with very poor security including lacking ongoing patches for vulnerabilities and basic standard security protections. They're falsely marketed as open but are actually closed source hardware with closed source firmware. A closed source SoC, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, cellular, NFC, SSD, touchscreen, camera, etc. attached to a PCB with open schematics is not open hardware.

Re: LineageOS 23

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Post by neobrain »

onli wrote: post #81
mixmastamyk wrote: post #45

Well, this looks nice. Tons more devices than Graphene or Postmarket supported. Which hardware should one get to run this? Which hardware is reasonably ethical? Perhaps the Fairphone 5? There are lots of choices from Motorola and OnePlus but I know nothing about them. (Well I remember the old Moto up to Y2k.) Not sure where to buy them.

With reasonable ethical you indeed might want to look into the Fairphones. The Fairphone 6 was reviewed as being a nice improvement over the 5. I'd expect LineageOS to land on that device some time in the future, after all the prior three models are supported. You could wait for that, or settle for the 5. If you want something cheap and easy instead of the Fairphone, the Motorola moto g 5G (2024) looks good. Supporte…

The LineageOS port for the FP6 is already well-underway and close to daily-drivable AFAIK. Support for iodéOS has also been announced as planned within 2025, which seems like a good alternative to Calyx.

Re: LineageOS 23

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Post by strcat »

nunobrito wrote: post #145
fsflover wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I trust smartphones with open schematics. Not because it's impossible to hide a backdoor but because it's harder.

Exactly.

They're talking about devices known to be extraordinarily insecure, which are still closed source hardware with closed source firmware. Having schematics for the board does not avoid trusting the hardware. It's still a closed source SoC and the same for the other components such as the SSD, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, cellular, etc. but those components are much less secure without proper updates and security protections. The whole point of an SoC is that it has the complexity of a traditional CPU, GPU, motherboard and other components merged into a single chip, and that's entirely closed source with closed source firmware on those devices.

Re: LineageOS 23

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Post by neobrain »

sharts wrote: post #20

How do backups/restores work when using LineageOS and moving to a new phone?

LineageOS includes Seedvault for backup and restore. It's not 100% reliably across devices apparently, but should typically work: https://github.com/seedvault-app/seedvault/discussions/331#d...

This requires both phones to use Seedvault though, so it's not an option when moving from the stock OS to LineageOS.

Re: LineageOS 23

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Post by drnick1 »

izacus wrote: post #131
drnick1 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No "Find My Device" support. "Find My Device" means the location of your device is constantly sent to and stored on someone else's computer (the "cloud"), and it is something that shouldn't exist unless that someone else's computer happens to be yours.

You ordering the rest of the world which features should exist isn't how anything works.

I am not ordering anything. I was merely explaining that "Find My Phone" is not a feature -- it is an anti-feature that enables surveillance by a third party. The lack of such an anti-feature should be viewed as an advantage of Graphene, rather than a disadvantage.
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