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Google, Meta and Microsoft to stop showing political ads in the EU

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Re: Google, Meta and Microsoft to stop showing political ads in the EU

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I get that you're upset at ads in general, because they're on your face all the time, but banning them out right doesn't seem right. I mean this is what keeps a lot of very useful services free.

Lots of illegal things could fund other things, making them “free”.

I mean, it worked for the CIA and the Contras...

Re: Google, Meta and Microsoft to stop showing political ads in the EU

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What makes that more true today than, say, 40 years ago?

online communication, city densities, very fast movement of people, immigration, inexistence of third spaces, helicopter parenting and so many other things

> migration

What’s special about this? Are we in a period of particularly high migration? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_human_migration

Re: Google, Meta and Microsoft to stop showing political ads in the EU

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What is your general opinion on the wisdom and decision-making of politicians and heads of state that are above the age of 80?

Anyone who is 81 or older is elderly, therefore they have a lot of wisdom, therefore their decisions are the best. My opinion completely aligns with this logic with no deviation.

> elderly, therefore they have a lot of wisdom

That’s a hell of an assumption, though maybe this is missing a ‘/s’?

Re: Google, Meta and Microsoft to stop showing political ads in the EU

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> I think it drives our global economy. It does, but in the same way that gambling drives the Macau economy.

Ads get a bad wrap, but no one wants a bad ad. The user wishes they didn't have to see it. The platform wishes they hadn't shown it to you. The advertiser/company wishes they hadn't paid to show it to you. In contrast, a "good" ad is just a recommendation for something you haven't heard of, but you love and are glad you were told about it. There are tons of products and services out there you haven't heard of. People…

> Ads get a bad wrap, but no one wants a bad ad.

This is weirdly tautological. Nobody wants an extra bad version of anything, regardless of whether it has a bad rap or not. Cigarettes get a bad rap, but smokers don't want cigarettes that got damp in transit and cigarette manufacturers and corner stores don't want to provide damp cigarettes to their customers.

> In contrast, a "good" ad is just a recommendation for something you haven't heard of, but you love and are glad you were told about it. There are tons of products and services out there you haven't heard of.

Are there? Do "good" ads actually exist? I avoid ads as much as possible, but don't find that my life is improved by the instances where I am unavoidably exposed to them, and think it's unlikely that my life would be improved if I deliberately exposed myself to more ads.

> People might not believe this, think that if they would really love it, they would have searched for it, found it through organic means, etc. But if that were true, these companies wouldn't be bringing in $100B+ each, and generating $1T+ spend each

This is an ironic response given you're responding to a comparison of the advertising industry to the gambling industry; the conclusion that a company is providing a valuable service to society doesn't follow from the premise that the company is making a lot of money.

Re: Google, Meta and Microsoft to stop showing political ads in the EU

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> pay to win Kamala Harris would like a word.

I looked this up as I doubted it. If it was about money, Trump wouldn’t have had a chance. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/11/04/trump-v...

These are only about direct donations. Most money in politics nowadays is this so-called "dark money". Most billionaires I can think of supported Trump: Musk, Zuckerberg, Bezos, Thiel, Ellison... Lobbies generally favor the Right because they are more easily corrupted (Trump 2x his personal fortune in less than a year of presidency). Right-wing influencers got massive grants from think tanks, Russia and other conservative sources, etc.

Re: Google, Meta and Microsoft to stop showing political ads in the EU

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Lots of illegal things could fund other things, making them “free”.

I mean, it worked for the CIA and the Contras...

Yeah we could sell coke and guns abroad to fund single-payer healthcare.

Re: Google, Meta and Microsoft to stop showing political ads in the EU

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1. Yellow pages were paid ads 2. If a “directory” is the only advertising mechanism allowed it benefits the incumbents because incumbents are the only ones who have existing brand recognition. I don’t need a directory to know about Coca-Cola or Google Maps. You would have had to ban advertising at the dawn of time for this to work.

1. It makes sense that the business are the ones paying to get listed and vetted. We are now starting to need those blue checkmarks for a reason, some verification process is necessary, and then serving costs. 2. Why? You wouldn't search by business name, but by need. What about "nearby bakeries" or "pop soda" only benefits the better known brands? Indexing by name isn't the only way.

For #1 I think the idea basically violates the idea of banning advertising.

For #2, I think that established brands essentially wouldn’t need to be searched for.

In the status quo I can pay to put up a billboard next to McDonald’s and say “I make a better burger two blocks down.”

But if I’m not allowed to do that a lot of people will just assume that McDonald’s is the place to go for a fast food burger.

Re: Google, Meta and Microsoft to stop showing political ads in the EU

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As a EU citizen, I don't care? People are not swayed by political ads. They're swayed by influencers who push political agendas covertly.

I agree, we should ban influencers from accepting any money from parties or other political actors (think tanks, foreign nations...). We can't and shouldn't ban them from expressing their honest opinions, but we should keep the debate genuine.

Re: Google, Meta and Microsoft to stop showing political ads in the EU

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Good, political advertising is pay to win and should be banned across the world

I agree. But the most toxic extreme things get “engagement” so they will be promoted by the algorithm. So does that help?

In Canada meta won't pay news publishers for aggregating their content, which is law apparently.. so only fake news and divisive shit lives on their platforms
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