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A 12,000-year-old obelisk with a human face was found in Karahan Tepe

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Re: A 12,000-year-old obelisk with a human face was found in Karahan Tepe

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Post by rsynnott »

clickety_clack wrote: post #50
itopaloglu83 wrote: post #48

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Yes, some of it is due to lack of safety etc. must I must say the majority of it is the complete lack of competence in modern times because it’s now being built by normal folks. I assume it was a limited number of people how knew how to make things and they kept roaming around setting new sites etc. Similar to bridge engineers etc. most of what they make just disappears in the background but they keep building things…

It’s not lack of competence. There is an unbelievable weight of regulation in construction now. It would probably take 2 years of planning consultation just to get the idea approved. Then, each facet of the design would have to be coordinated and iterated between several different specialist teams and contractors, with the tree of contractors increasing as each layer of design takes shape. At the end, you also have t…

I mean, it flat-out wouldn't be approved today, and for good reason. Bear in mind that it _burned down_. And, like, see the See Also section on its Wikipedia page; there were a bunch of similar structures, which mostly also burned down.

It just wasn't a good design.

Re: A 12,000-year-old obelisk with a human face was found in Karahan Tepe

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Post by woodpanel »

m00dy wrote: post #138
woodpanel wrote: post #136

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It's neither Turkish nor Thai for obvious reasons: - Thailand is in south-east Asia - Turks weren't around that area, not even close, until ~700 years Considering that the majority of asia minor was Greek for millenias before, calling this site "clearly Turkish" is like calling Machu Picchu "clearly Spanish"

>>Considering that the majority of asia minor was Greek hahaha not anymoreeeee :)

Thanks for proving my point, inadvertently, that artifacts of a culture shouldn't be attributed to their colonizers.

Re: A 12,000-year-old obelisk with a human face was found in Karahan Tepe

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Post by JrProgrammer »

leptons wrote: post #97
clickety_clack wrote: post #52

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I also feel that people then were about as smart as we are now, so they could have solved problems in inventive ways they way we do now. Just because they didn’t have an electric stone flattener, it doesn’t mean that stones cannot be made flat in a fairly repeatable way.

And there were no video games, which I think is a huge source of brain-drain these days. I read somewhere once that people played more solitaire on Windows 95 per year than it took in man-hours to send people to the moon (something like that, I don't remember the original statistic). And that's just a shitty game on an old OS.

To me, blaming an activity which requires active participation for “brain-drain” is such a weird and quite dated thing. Take social media for example, these require no active participation other than moving your thumb up and down, and is in my opinion the real brain rot these days.

People will always find a way to get their dopamine, be it video games, reading, watching stuff, etc.

Don’t pick out a single thing and make it the boogey man.

Re: A 12,000-year-old obelisk with a human face was found in Karahan Tepe

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Post by eth0up »

eth0up wrote: post #94

Don't take the following as an obnoxious distraction. I've not fully imbibed the featured article yet, but the entire area (region) is verily a bedlam of magnificence and wonder. Those unfamiliar with Derinkuyu must change this hastily. Do your own research, but please see this image (pardon the url - I've been flagged for... browsing the Internet and can't access it directly): https://external-content.duckduckgo.com…

I'm wondering about the negative reactions to this post. It mystifies me and I don't know whether my fear was correct and there truly is hostility to this subject or it's that some of the readers here are too stupid to recognize my use of the word bedlam as complimentary and take self-righteous pleasure in fighting for some deranged precept of honor. I guess I'll never be certain, as those offended don't have the substance to express their reason.

But it does please me that I'm wise enough to treat this place as a den of reptiles. I am right about that much, often enough.

PS: Derinkuyu is amazing, reptiles or not. And so is Turkiye

Re: A 12,000-year-old obelisk with a human face was found in Karahan Tepe

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Post by lucumo »

woodpanel wrote: post #140
rsynnott wrote: post #139

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> was Greek for millenias before ... But not _that_ many millennia. This wasn't Greek (nor was it Turkish, of course); way too early.

I didn't say it was Greek either. Just pointing out how cringely wrong it is to say it's "clearly Turkish"

I interpreted the comment thread as talking about the website being clearly Turkish, because that was what my first thought when I saw the Turkish text. It didn't even occur to me they could be talking about the archeological site, as you clearly interpreted it. Kind of interesting how the same sentence can mean multiple things, one being wrong and one being right.

Also kind of interesting to consider the relation between both meanings of site. It makes perfect sense, but I stopped considering that because website took on such a much larger meaning in my life than physical site.

Re: A 12,000-year-old obelisk with a human face was found in Karahan Tepe

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Post by mda »

woodpanel wrote: post #136
oliyoung wrote: post #91

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That's clearly Turkish, which would make sense for an obelisk in an ancient site in Turkey, not Thailand

It's neither Turkish nor Thai for obvious reasons: - Thailand is in south-east Asia - Turks weren't around that area, not even close, until ~700 years Considering that the majority of asia minor was Greek for millenias before, calling this site "clearly Turkish" is like calling Machu Picchu "clearly Spanish"

It is not Greek either, The area had been under control of tens of different civilizations in the last 10.000 years. Calling it Greek would be equally ridiculous.

Re: A 12,000-year-old obelisk with a human face was found in Karahan Tepe

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Post by ragazzina »

p1necone wrote: post #92
itsnowandnever wrote: post #75

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mostly because all the bones of all the dead were mixed in with all the others. implying no concept of "this guy was THE guy in my lifetime". but they presumably still had a meritocracy because while the bones were mixed in with all others of all generations, not everyone would have their bones were mixed in upon death. it was likely only the craftsmen or shamans that achieved that honor. but being honored is differe…

I don't see why you couldn't have a highly hierarchical society that also has a "in death we're all the same" philosophy when it comes to burial.

So this person is at the top of the social hierarchy, dresses, eats, lives better than everybody else, then their child dies and they shrug and throw the body away in a common grave?

Re: A 12,000-year-old obelisk with a human face was found in Karahan Tepe

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Post by bariscimen »

woodpanel wrote: post #140
rsynnott wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> was Greek for millenias before ... But not _that_ many millennia. This wasn't Greek (nor was it Turkish, of course); way too early.

I didn't say it was Greek either. Just pointing out how cringely wrong it is to say it's "clearly Turkish"

he meant turkey with turkish but you greeks are too easy to get triggered when you see smth about turks

Re: A 12,000-year-old obelisk with a human face was found in Karahan Tepe

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Post by jstanley »

cryptonector wrote: post #119
sethammons wrote: post #36

These Tepe sites give credence to advanced civilization existing before the last ice age. One example is the mostly dismissed theory of water erosion at the base of the Sphinx, suggesting older civilizations leading up to ancient Egypt. To my understanding, it is mostly dismissed because archaeologists found the idea of something older than the Sphinx to be not possible. Tepe sites challenge this. Wild stuff.

> These Tepe sites give credence to advanced civilization existing before the last ice age. Before the last glacial period == 100,000 year ago. This is 12,000 years ago. If we assume (big big assumption here) that there's only really a single unbroken line of civilization, and also assume (big big assumption) roughly exponential growth till now, then no, 100kya would be too long ago. But those two assumptions are not…

~12000 years ago refers to the Younger Dryas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas
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