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Post by tehjoker »

ggm wrote: post #128
milesrout wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what sense are domestic car manufacturers "important"? They're inefficient if they're being outcompeted by China.

You can't rely on Chinese companies to make the tanks and rockets you intend aiming at China. Car manufacturers serve many purposes. Aside from keeping the UAW membership onside, they are a strategic buttress for an emerging future war risk. Australia maintained subsidies to Ford and GM for onshore production precisely because of this. And they stopped when a strategic realignment made successive governments decide t…

Since there’s no good reason to do any of that, we should absolutely lose that capability since to use it is to abuse it

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Post by petesergeant »

gyomu wrote: post #132
gkanai wrote: post #112

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> it would be great to be able to get one in the USA. Allowing in Chinese EVs into markets where there are important domestic auto manufacturers will be very bad for those domestic manufacturers. (US, Germany, France, S.Korea, Japan, etc.) Outside of Tesla, none have EV brands competitive with the Chinese firms and if customers in those non China markets migrate to Chinese brands en masse, it would be tremendous disr…

> It is important that the US have strong auto companies. Same is true for Germany, France, Japan, S. Korea, etc. It is. But the reality is that those companies are complacent fossils who have lost all their vigor, and only threat of extinction would force them to innovate. Which they’re not under because legislators agree with you (in no small part thanks to their lobbyists). Like many things, we’ll realize the exte…

The right way to do that is to lower the tax rate on these foreign models a little bit; enough to spur competition, not enough to crash local manufacturing capacity.

Re: BYD builds fastest car

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Post by noufalibrahim »

gamblor956 wrote: post #129
ryandrake wrote: post #82

Ever since I rode in a BYD in China I've thought it would be great to be able to get one in the USA. It just really felt complete, put together and polished in a way that I haven't seen in a "normie" U.S. car in a long time. Too bad our country uses high tariffs and regulatory barriers to protect its dinosaur companies.

Contrasting opinion: BYD made electric busses for US transit agencies. They were the worst buses that I have ever ridden. Today, no U.S. transit agency still uses BYD busses, because none of them managed a service live longer than about a year. BYD vehicles seem really nice for the first few hours, until you start discovering all the corners they cut to make their price point.

I've never used BYD vehicles but I've felt this about budget vehicles. Eg. In India, a Hyundai/kia sedan will be cheaper than a Toyota or a Honda of the same class with much more features.

However, they start to break down and over a while, you can see the corners they cut.

Re: BYD builds fastest car

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Post by rasz »

jansan wrote: post #52
pengaru wrote: post #44

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> Seven minutes for the Nordschleife? Sabine Schmitz could have done that with a van. Sabine Shmitz did the 19,100m length in 10:08.49 using the ford transit van. That's a far cry from 7:14

I did not expect that anyone would take the first part of my comment seriously, but here we go. However, this year a Ford SuperVan 4.2 made the Nordschleife in 6:48.393, so even without Sabine Schmitz a van was faster than the BYD.

Its a Van shell on a racecar. Real unofficial Van record was beat this year by DannyDC2 in a VW Caddy https://dannydc2.com/blogs/news/we-unofficially-beat-a-nurbu...

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Post by tstrimple »

ksynwa wrote: post #130
superb_dev wrote: post #108

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Actually there is already an electric version of F1 called Formula E

I didn't know that. Thanks. It would be more interesting though if electric and fossil fuel cars could compete against one another in some circuit.

Given the data and research that goes into these sorts of high dollar races, I suspect it wouldn't be very interesting. It would be a relatively simple calculation (that I cannot do and do not know all the variables for) to determine when the benefits of batteries clearly outweigh the benefits of combustion engines with quick and simple refuels. These teams know exactly how many laps they need to complete and the speed they need to do it in order to be competitive. They track the fuel and refuels and other pit stops very closely, so as soon as they can see they would benefit from batteries I'd expect almost the entire fleet to switch over. There will be almost no overlap between electric and combustion cars in races.

The only benefit combustion engines have is the current faster refuel and run time. Everything else about electric motors is far superior to combustion. If and when F1 can hot-swap battery packs efficiently, combustion engines will be dead in that sport.

Re: BYD builds fastest car

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Post by gkanai »

intended wrote: post #117
gkanai wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it would be great to be able to get one in the USA. Allowing in Chinese EVs into markets where there are important domestic auto manufacturers will be very bad for those domestic manufacturers. (US, Germany, France, S.Korea, Japan, etc.) Outside of Tesla, none have EV brands competitive with the Chinese firms and if customers in those non China markets migrate to Chinese brands en masse, it would be tremendous disr…

Or you know - American companies can give customers a better product, instead of hiding behind yet another “too big to fail” scenario. America was synonymous with competition. To see protectionism championed, is to really see the end of an empire.

It's not that simple.

China has supported key industries (like EVs, batteries, solar, semiconductors) that it views as strategic. Each country should do the same for their own situation. There is no such thing as pure capitalism- and what you see is 'protectionism' is to a lawmaker a way to ensure that the local company survives and provides jobs for the local region/state, etc.

And as the other commenter mentioned, auto manufacturing plants were retooled to make tanks and jeeps in WW2 and so no country that cares about their own military survival should cede auto manufacturing to another country, let alone China.

Re: BYD builds fastest car

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Post by gkanai »

gamblor956 wrote: post #129
ryandrake wrote: post #82

Ever since I rode in a BYD in China I've thought it would be great to be able to get one in the USA. It just really felt complete, put together and polished in a way that I haven't seen in a "normie" U.S. car in a long time. Too bad our country uses high tariffs and regulatory barriers to protect its dinosaur companies.

Contrasting opinion: BYD made electric busses for US transit agencies. They were the worst buses that I have ever ridden. Today, no U.S. transit agency still uses BYD busses, because none of them managed a service live longer than about a year. BYD vehicles seem really nice for the first few hours, until you start discovering all the corners they cut to make their price point.

> Today, no U.S. transit agency still uses BYD busses, because none of them managed a service live longer than about a year.

This is a fascinating data point. This should be more prominent.

Re: BYD builds fastest car

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Post by HaZeust »

vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #73
lossolo wrote: post #56

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> Porsche 919 Hybrid EVO did it in 5:19 If anyone hasn't seen this, I highly recommend it, even if you're not a car fan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQmSUHhP3ug

That just looks unreal. I wonder if this is reaching the point where a driver can't keep up anymore.

They study the cars and the track in and out for years beforehand - this isn't top power level of even most Nordschleife specialists

Re: BYD builds fastest car

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Post by moi2388 »

tehjoker wrote: post #141
ggm wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't rely on Chinese companies to make the tanks and rockets you intend aiming at China. Car manufacturers serve many purposes. Aside from keeping the UAW membership onside, they are a strategic buttress for an emerging future war risk. Australia maintained subsidies to Ford and GM for onshore production precisely because of this. And they stopped when a strategic realignment made successive governments decide t…

Since there’s no good reason to do any of that, we should absolutely lose that capability since to use it is to abuse it

Deterrence is a very good reason, and the reason we’ve had peace in the western world for as long as we have.

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Post by taneq »

throwaway-0001 wrote: post #138
gamblor956 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Contrasting opinion: BYD made electric busses for US transit agencies. They were the worst buses that I have ever ridden. Today, no U.S. transit agency still uses BYD busses, because none of them managed a service live longer than about a year. BYD vehicles seem really nice for the first few hours, until you start discovering all the corners they cut to make their price point.

Tbh i have to agree with you. I tried byd and cuts corners everywhere. Look at the screen: static video instead of Tesla interactive, low screen dpi. Other small details I can’t recall. I also don’t like Tesla, but at least they have a nicer screen. Tesla also has big gaps between their parts looking from outside.

What did you try, and when? Their current models are well presented with impressive feature sets, and IMO are spectacular bang for buck.
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