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Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by raspasov » Sun, Oct 05, 2025, 2:16 AM UTC

encom wrote: post #138

raspasov wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is the fastest laptop CPU in the world right now, by a decent stretch. 128GB PC laptops are not very cheap either, if you want a decent one, like a ThinkPad. Here’s a 7000 USD ThinkPad P16 Gen 2 workstation: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadp/th...

>fastest laptop CPU in the world Maybe, but it's 1) ARM 2) In a Mac. Those are some colossal caveats.

What caveats specifically?

I understand the problems of measuring cross-platform performance but anecdotally even on things that it's not specifically optimized for, for example running a Java Virtual Machine with 10s of GBs of memory, it's really fast, efficient and competitive to most non-Mac/ARM setups.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by commandersaki » Sun, Oct 05, 2025, 6:30 AM UTC

JimDabell wrote: post #56

the_lucifer wrote: post #49

Seeing 1Password there hurts me. They used to be paragons of well designed native apps that they dumped with 8.

I’m not sure I’ve seen an app plummet in quality as much as 1Password. I used to recommend it to everybody and switched multiple employers to it. Now I actively recommend against it. It wasn’t just abandoning native, somehow they make it worse with every release.

I've been using 1P since version 6 and I do miss the native app and I was sceptical of the transition to Electron. But for the most part it has been pretty decent, it does its thing and gets out of my way for the most part, haven't felt any performance regression (even the one stated in this post). I don't even know if/what things are getting worse every release.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by ezst » Sun, Oct 05, 2025, 8:29 AM UTC

m-schuetz wrote: post #137

ezst wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dev UX is only good in that we regressed to the point that there's not much left but Web, and that's what the majority of devs know as a result. The Dev UX of the Web is pretty bad, though, compared to past and present alternatives, and I'm far from having as much fun putting together UXes for the Web as I was with older tech like Qt, Swing, JavaFX, etc (the tooling was better, more efficient, they had builders for r…

I've used Qt, Swing and JavaFX, and found all of them absolutely terrible. Qt might have at least led to some good results, but it's fairly bad to use and deploy. Especially if you want to use the latest Graphics APIs, which worked pretty badly back when I last used Qt in 2016. I much prefer Electron, or imgui for C++. I'll happily sacrifice some features so long as I dont have to use Qt.

> Qt might have at least led to some good results

You seem to focus on the outcome while what interests me is the programming model. Say what you want about object-oriented programming, the problem-space lends itself very well to it. In Qt/Swing/… components are just classes whose behaviour and appearance are determined by function overrides, taking as parameter event or graphics objects. Just like that, you cleanly solve everything that "webcomponents" stands for: interface contracts are determined by class constructors/parameters, customisation is just class inheritance with member override, look&feel customisation is plain calls into the graphics API primitives, layouting/responsive-design is taken care of at the just level of abstraction, and all of it takes place in the same language and ecosystem/stdlib (no HTML to CSS to JS references to keep in sync and mental overhead).

React reproduces some of this model, but with much more technical and mental complexity, bringing trade-offs of its own. I'm not calling this easier to work with, simpler, or easier to debug. It certainly gives more creative options, but only because the ecosystem is broader (and full of supply-chain risks).

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by dheera » Sun, Oct 05, 2025, 5:22 PM UTC

raspasov wrote: post #135

encom wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It starts at 5000 USD. Five. Thousand. Dollars.

It is the fastest laptop CPU in the world right now, by a decent stretch. 128GB PC laptops are not very cheap either, if you want a decent one, like a ThinkPad. Here’s a 7000 USD ThinkPad P16 Gen 2 workstation: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadp/th...

Not 128GB, but 96GB of SODIMM is <$300 on Amazon. Don't buy it from Lenovo.