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Is AI at the same level of global instant comunication and gigabites of bandwidth?
Does it have to be for the analogy to work?
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Jeff Bezos says AI is in a bubble but society will get 'gigantic' benefits
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Re: Jeff Bezos says AI is in a bubble but society will get 'gigantic' benefits
#142The big question is what "society" he is talking about? Is it the "society" that includes all people, or the "society" that includes only rich people?
It will benefit all people but it will disproportionally benefit more rich people.
Re: Jeff Bezos says AI is in a bubble but society will get 'gigantic' benefits
#143The big question is what "society" he is talking about? Is it the "society" that includes all people, or the "society" that includes only rich people?
ChatGPT currently has ~ 120 to 190 million daily active users ~ 800 million weekly active users ~ 450 million to over 800 million depending on the data source and methodology. Get a grip. Hundreds of millions of people are using it, most of them for free. I would say "society" has benefited. This has to be peak HN. Create the fastest growing consumer product in history. HN anon: yes, but who will benefit?
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Re: Jeff Bezos says AI is in a bubble but society will get 'gigantic' benefits
#144The big question is what "society" he is talking about? Is it the "society" that includes all people, or the "society" that includes only rich people?
Which of those did the Internet benefit?
Is the average person actually better off after the late 90’s internet is probably a harder question than it might seem.
The long tail may be closer to what I want, but the quality is also generally lower. YouTube just doesn’t support a team of talented writers, Amazon is mostly filled with junk, etc.
Social media and gig work is a mixed bag. Junk e-mail etc may not be a big deal, but those kinds of downsides do erode the net benefit.
Re: Jeff Bezos says AI is in a bubble but society will get 'gigantic' benefits
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Facebook has more. Was it a benefit? Does the benefit outweigh the harms?
Yes, Facebook is a benefit. Among other things, it gave me React which much of the modern web is built on, and React Native, PyTorch, GraphQL, Cassandra, Presto, and RocksDB just to name a few. The question is, what are billions of people doing on Facebook if it's harmful? I don't know. My daycare sends me updates, my barbershop tells me when they're closing and I used it to sell my fridge. This hole Facebook irratio…
> The question is, what are billions of people doing on Facebook if it's harmful?
Perhaps _you_ don’t know.
It’s quite notorious for being the place to organise the genocide over in Myanmar.
IMO, that should disqualify every executive or engineer who knew (and did nothing) from ever again being involved with widely-used infrastructure.
Re: Jeff Bezos says AI is in a bubble but society will get 'gigantic' benefits
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
Facebook has more. Was it a benefit? Does the benefit outweigh the harms?
Yes, Facebook is a benefit. Among other things, it gave me React which much of the modern web is built on, and React Native, PyTorch, GraphQL, Cassandra, Presto, and RocksDB just to name a few. The question is, what are billions of people doing on Facebook if it's harmful? I don't know. My daycare sends me updates, my barbershop tells me when they're closing and I used it to sell my fridge. This hole Facebook irratio…
> what are billions of people doing on Facebook if it's harmful? I don't know.
This is extremely naive and akin to asking "why do people drink if it’s bad for you then??" Popular != healthy
Re: Jeff Bezos says AI is in a bubble but society will get 'gigantic' benefits
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which of those did the Internet benefit?
Is the average person actually better off after the late 90’s internet is probably a harder question than it might seem. The long tail may be closer to what I want, but the quality is also generally lower. YouTube just doesn’t support a team of talented writers, Amazon is mostly filled with junk, etc. Social media and gig work is a mixed bag. Junk e-mail etc may not be a big deal, but those kinds of downsides do erod…
Are you being objective or just romanticizing the past?
Just to use your example: YouTube is filled with talented writers and storytellers, who would have never been able to share their content in the past. *And* the traditional media complex is richer than ever.
I don’t think average quality matters. Just what you want to consume.
If anything, I’d be more open to the opposite argument. Media is so much richer and more engaging that it actually makes our lives worse. The quality of the drugs is too high!
Re: Jeff Bezos says AI is in a bubble but society will get 'gigantic' benefits
#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which of those did the Internet benefit?
Is the average person actually better off after the late 90’s internet is probably a harder question than it might seem. The long tail may be closer to what I want, but the quality is also generally lower. YouTube just doesn’t support a team of talented writers, Amazon is mostly filled with junk, etc. Social media and gig work is a mixed bag. Junk e-mail etc may not be a big deal, but those kinds of downsides do erod…
Undeniably better off in every single way. Minimum is that the price of long distance phone calls is now zero, let alone video calls. Being able to speak to family and see them nonstop is incredible.
Re: Jeff Bezos says AI is in a bubble but society will get 'gigantic' benefits
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
Facebook has more. Was it a benefit? Does the benefit outweigh the harms?
Yes, Facebook is a benefit. Among other things, it gave me React which much of the modern web is built on, and React Native, PyTorch, GraphQL, Cassandra, Presto, and RocksDB just to name a few. The question is, what are billions of people doing on Facebook if it's harmful? I don't know. My daycare sends me updates, my barbershop tells me when they're closing and I used it to sell my fridge. This hole Facebook irratio…
> My daycare sends me updates, my barbershop tells me when they're closing and I used it to sell my fridge.
To consider the other side of this, read "The age of surveillance capitalism" by Shoshana Zuboff (really read it though, not chatgpt the summary :).
All the benefits you mentioned are real. But, at what cost and could we have reaped the same benefits without surrendering all agency to those who can't be held accountable?
Re: Jeff Bezos says AI is in a bubble but society will get 'gigantic' benefits
#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is the average person actually better off after the late 90’s internet is probably a harder question than it might seem. The long tail may be closer to what I want, but the quality is also generally lower. YouTube just doesn’t support a team of talented writers, Amazon is mostly filled with junk, etc. Social media and gig work is a mixed bag. Junk e-mail etc may not be a big deal, but those kinds of downsides do erod…
Are you being objective or just romanticizing the past? Just to use your example: YouTube is filled with talented writers and storytellers, who would have never been able to share their content in the past. *And* the traditional media complex is richer than ever. I don’t think average quality matters. Just what you want to consume. If anything, I’d be more open to the opposite argument. Media is so much richer and mo…
Media is rich but not in proportion of the thousands of new creators doing very well. An extreme example is playboy vs only fans creators