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Re: Kagi News

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Post by jscd »

This is honestly very disappointing. Not using LLMs, but the complete lack of transparency about their usage. You can already see in the repository issues related to hallucinations[^1]. This is _fine_, but not if you seem to obscure the fact that these can be very, very wrong. This seems to only be mentioned in the very brief loading screen and at the bottom of the about page[^2]. Also, apparently many of the "core RSS feeds" are just... reddit[^3]???

For me, this is only useful as a curated list of news feeds (and subreddits I guess), but nothing more.

[1]: https://github.com/kagisearch/kite-public/issues/97#issuecom...

[2]: https://kite.kagi.com/about

[3]: https://github.com/kagisearch/kite-public/blob/main/core_fee...

Re: Kagi News

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Post by skysthelimitt »

__jonas wrote: post #23

Just to be clear I'm understanding correctly: This is pulling the content of the RSS feeds of several news sites into the context window of an LLM and then asking it to summarize news items into articles and fill in the blanks? I'm asking because that is what it looks like, but AI / LLMs are not specifically mentioned in this blog post, they just say news are 'generated' under the 'News in your language' heading, whi…

i believe an llm output is fine for giving an overview if provided the articles, if you want a detailed overview you should be reading the articles anyways.

Re: Kagi News

#143

Post by zkmon »

There is a more fundamental problem here. The news feeds are going in this direction for a reason. I don't think you addressed that reason.

You have defined the desirable news as "pure, essential information". What's that again? How do you know what's pure and essential info for any user? The traditional news media had started there, with that pure news, and ended up here where they are today.

Ultimately, you will realize that your content need to grab attention enough so that people consume your feed. People's attention goes to where things look weird, exciting, sensational, emotional, trivia, gossip etc. You can't do away with all that and just dish out the pure and essential info. It didn't work. People tried it.

Re: Kagi News

#144

Post by imiric »

__jonas wrote: post #103
imiric wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm firmly on the side of "AI" skepticism, but even I have to admit that this is a very good use of the tech. LLMs generally do a great job at summarizing text, which is essentially what this is. The sources could be statically defined in advance, given that they know where they pull the information from, so I don't think the LLM generates that content. So if this automates the process of fetching the top news from a…

I see! One thing I'm wondering: They say they are fetching the content from the RSS feeds of news outlets rather than scraping them, I haven't used RSS in a bit, but I recall most news outlets would usually not include the full article in their feed but just the headline or a small summary. I'd be worried that articles with misleading headlines (which are not uncommon) might cause this tool to generate incorrect news…

That's a fair concern, and I would prefer it if they scraped the sites instead. They could balance this out by favoring content from sites that do provide the entire article in their feeds, but that could lead to bias problems. Maybe this is why their own summaries are short. We can't know for sure unless they explain how it works.

Re: Kagi News

#145

Post by timeinput »

kubafu wrote: post #134

This but let me choose over what period I want news summarised. Daily is too often, even week is (at least to me). Let me open the app once a month and see a summary of what has happened over it.

This defiantly doesn't do exactly what you want, but you might enjoy Delayed Gratification at https://www.slow-journalism.com/

Re: Kagi News

#146

Post by j2kun »

__jonas wrote: post #23

Just to be clear I'm understanding correctly: This is pulling the content of the RSS feeds of several news sites into the context window of an LLM and then asking it to summarize news items into articles and fill in the blanks? I'm asking because that is what it looks like, but AI / LLMs are not specifically mentioned in this blog post, they just say news are 'generated' under the 'News in your language' heading, whi…

This seems like the opposite of "privacy by design"

> Privacy by design: Your reading habits belong to you. We don’t track, profile, or monetize your attention. You remain the customer and not the product.

But the person running the LLM surely does.

Re: Kagi News

#149

Post by nemomarx »

input_sh wrote: post #84
devmor wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The line “news stories will be generated” throws up red flags across the horizon for me. That’s not news. That’s news-adjacent random slop.

It's also a workaround around copyright, news sites would be (rightfully) pissed if you publicly post their articles in full and would argue that you're stealing their viewership. But, if you're essentially doing an automatic mash-up of five stories on the same topic from different sources, all of a sudden you're not doing anything wrong! As an example from one of their sources, you can only re-publish a certain amou…

tbh I would take the headline and first hundred words in a news aggregator. that seems fine?

Re: Kagi News

#150

Post by cyberpunk »

the_real_cher wrote: post #119

Trump just said we should use the military on American cities...and it's not reported in Kagi news. That's a showstopper for me.

When? It’s updated once daily and afaik he’s been doing that for months hasn’t he?
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