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Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by keanb »

DSingularity wrote: post #77
bhouston wrote: post #28

Larry Ellison is ultra-pro Israel if you didn't know. He and others are pushing for Bari Weiss take a key role at CBS to better "defend Israel": https://nypost.com/2025/09/19/media/shari-redstone-says-bari... And many people are worried about a similar type of agenda setting at TikTok now: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/will-tiktoks-new-own... Netanyahu, for his part, believes it is super consequential for E…

If anybody even insinuates that Weiss or Ellison have dual loyalty because of this they will be accused of anti-semitism. The hard truth is that weaponizing your money — earned largely from Americans — to aid a foreign country at the expense of America is about as un-American as it gets. Aside from the potentially valid argument that your voice shouldn’t be louder just because you are a billionaire — you are corrupti…

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Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

js8 wrote: post #140
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It would certainly better support his statement that the people are on their best behavior if being monitored It literally wouldn’t. Whether people behave better when surveilled in independently verifiable. Whether or not bees exist doesn’t revolve around the political beliefs of the person claiming they do.

I found it amusing that someone would say something to the effect of "killing people is the furthest I am willing to go, but not further", as if there is any further... Anyway, I agree it is a verifiable fact, but it also can be a personal belief. Does L.E. provide any evidence, or is he stating it authoritatively? In any case, one big piece of evidence we have for the claim is that Israel doesn't allow any foreign j…

> one big piece of evidence we have for the claim is that Israel doesn't allow any foreign journalists in Gaza, and is trying to control Tiktok, in which L.E. seems to be involved

This is relevant! Consider how much more interesting the top comment would be if it called out this hypocrisy instead of the same old 'so and so is pro X and herego a bad guy'.

Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

bhouston wrote: post #124
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a study shoehorn… Would his statements be better if he were pro-Gaza or something else?

> Would his statements be better if he were pro-Gaza or something else? How about he and CBS News and TikTok be neutral and truth seeking rather than being pro-Israel or pro-Palestinian? I would like news organizations to be truth seeking and I would like social media to not be tinting my view of the world towards what their billionaire owners want. Maybe that is too much?

> How about he and CBS News and TikTok be neutral and truth seeking rather than being pro-Israel or pro-Palestinian?

I agree. But easier said than done. Especially when it comes to something as polarising as Gaza, playing the moderate essentially cedes the debate. (Both sources you mention are supported by ads. Their metric is engagement, not informativeness.)

Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

fakedang wrote: post #118
koolba wrote: post #39

I encourage people making snap comments to read at least one entire paragraph of the article: > “We’re going to have supervision,” Ellison said. “Every police officer is going to be supervised at all times, and if there’s a problem, AI will report that problem and report it to the appropriate person. Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that’s going on.”…

> People do act differently when they know they are being watched. Even more so when they know they are being recorded. London is the most surveilled city in the world outside China, in terms of the number of intelligent cameras they have around the city, yet that does not stop crime from being significantly reduced.

> yet that does not stop crime from being significantly reduced

Source? (I'm inclined to agree with you. Hence my desire for substantiation.)

Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

btbuildem wrote: post #128

It's interesting this thread is flagged, given that the scenario is a direct consequence of advances of technology, AI, and worship of wealth -- seems very core HN. Entities with this level of resources and influence have very little in common with people, other than biology. We would do well to instead perceive them as dangerous alien parasites -- not precisely hostile, but lacking social connection to the rest of u…

It went off topic at the top of the thread. I didn't flag. But if you want to get something flagged off the front page, I guess that's how it's done.

Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

lapcat wrote: post #117
koolba wrote: post #39

I encourage people making snap comments to read at least one entire paragraph of the article: > “We’re going to have supervision,” Ellison said. “Every police officer is going to be supervised at all times, and if there’s a problem, AI will report that problem and report it to the appropriate person. Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that’s going on.”…

Cameras on police are mostly irrelevant. This has been proved repeatedly, at least as far back as Rodney King in 1992. We saw the video of the police beating Rodney King, but the police were nonetheless protected by the legal system. It's extremely rare for police to suffer consequences from their behavior. Any minor transgression from most people will be punished severely. Even the worst transgression from powerful…

> Cameras on police are mostly irrelevant

Not really.

In "a randomized controlled trial involving more than 400 police officers in Las Vegas, Nevada...officers equipped with body-worn cameras generated fewer complaints and use of force reports relative to officers without cameras. BWC officers also made more arrests and issued more citations than their non-BWC counterparts" [1].

More broadly, "there remains substantial uncertainty about whether BWCs can reduce officer use of force, but the variation in effects suggests there may be conditions in which BWC could be effective" [2]. ("Restricting officer discretion in turning on and off BWCs may reduce police use of force," and while "BWCs may reduce the number of citizen complaints against police officers...it is unclear why complaints decline.")

[1] https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/jclc/vol108/is...

[2] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8356344/

Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by close04 »

andsoitis wrote: post #107
close04 wrote: post #11

This goes double for him personally. I take his insistence on singing the praises for pervasive surveillance while avoiding it himself as an admission of him committing the worst crimes.

> admission of him committing the worst crimes. such as?

I don't know but isn't this the usual go-to for all those supporting the surveillance state? Think of the kids? But the terrorists? What's good for the goose is good for the gander, if he eschews being surveilled just like everyone else then it's because he wants to commit the crimes that we want to prevent others committing. Take your pick.

Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Post by amlalNzn »

andsoitis wrote: post #76
bhouston wrote: post #28

Larry Ellison is ultra-pro Israel if you didn't know. He and others are pushing for Bari Weiss take a key role at CBS to better "defend Israel": https://nypost.com/2025/09/19/media/shari-redstone-says-bari... And many people are worried about a similar type of agenda setting at TikTok now: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/will-tiktoks-new-own... Netanyahu, for his part, believes it is super consequential for E…

what does this have to do with the story?

The single largest private donor the IDF is pushing for a very anti American policy. I think it’s extremely relevant to point out their true loyalties lie elsewhere.

> what does this have to do with the story?

This is like seeing a web page not load due to a 504, then asking why people are discussing a database failure when your page isn’t loading.

Patterns like Ellison are rife in American politics (look at some of trumps major donors, guys like Bill Ackman were lifelong dems that suddenly because conservative after Oct 7). It’s the reason we’re one of the only countries defending the genocide in Gaza. It plays a large part in our otherwise polarized congress showing bipartisan support for financing Israel’s “defenses”.

America makes a lot of anti American decisions because guys like Ellison are some of the most powerful in the country.

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