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Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based

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Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based

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Zed was supposed to be the answer to Atom / Sublime Text in my opinion, and I kinda do want to use it as my main driver, but it just isn’t there yet for me. It’s shameful because I like its aesthetics as a product more than the competition out there. Just this other day I tried using it for something it sort of advertised itself as the superior thing, which was to load this giant text file I had instantly and let me…

My experience with Zed was that it was a buggy mess with strange defaults. I had high hopes until I tried it but it was not even close to working for my pretty normal use case of coding C so I went back to Sublime.

same.

I reported some issue a few months back but saw they have thousands to deal with so mine will understandably stay open forever.

Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based

#142
post #132

Zed was supposed to be the answer to Atom / Sublime Text in my opinion, and I kinda do want to use it as my main driver, but it just isn’t there yet for me. It’s shameful because I like its aesthetics as a product more than the competition out there. Just this other day I tried using it for something it sort of advertised itself as the superior thing, which was to load this giant text file I had instantly and let me…

Zed is the opposite of Sublime. Zed is VC funded and will eventually be enshittified. Sublime is not and has been going strong for many years.

Yeah fair point. I think CodeEdit is a perhaps a closer comparison there

Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based

#143

Making this prediction now, LLM pricing will eventually be priced in bytes. Why: LLMs are increasingly becoming multimodal, so an image "token" or video "token" is not as simple as a text token. Also, it's difficult to compare across competitors because tokenization is different. Eventually prices will just be in $/Mb of data processed. Just like bandwidth. I'm surprised this hasn't already happened.

> Why: LLMs are increasingly becoming multimodal, so an image "token" or video "token" is not as simple as a text token. For autoregressive token-based multimodal models, image tokens are as straightforward as text tokens, and there is no reason video tokens wouldn’t also be. (If models also switch architecture and multimodal diffusion models, say, become more common, then, sure, a different pricing model more tied t…

To clarify, "as straightforward" = same dimensionality? I guess it would have to be, to be usable in the same embedding space.

Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based

#144

I was just thinking this morning about how I think Zed should rethink their subscription because its a bit pricey if they're going to let you just use Claude Code. I am in the process of trying out Claude and figured just going to them for the subscriptions makes more sense. I think Zed had a lot of good concepts where they could make paid AI benefits optional longer term. I like that you can join your devs to look a…

> if they're going to let you just use Claude Code

I'm pretty sure that's only while it's in preview, just like they were giving away model access before that was formally launched. Get it while it's hot.

Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based

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post #62
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also seems like a great idea to create a business models where the companies aren't incentivised to provide the best product possible. Instead they'll want to create a product just useful enough to not drive away users, but just useless enough to temp people to go up a tier, "I'm so close, just one more prompt and it will be right this time!" Edit: To be clear, I'm not talking about Zed. I'm talking about the compani…

While Apple is incentivized to ship a smaller battery to cut costs, it is also incentivized to make their software efficient as possible to make the best use of the battery they do ship

That's not the same thing at all.

Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based

#146

Tokens are an implementation detail that have no business being part of product pricing. It's deliberate obfuscation. First, there's the simple math of converting tokens to dollars. This is easy enough; people are familiar with "credits". Credits can be obfuscation, but at least they're honest. The second and more difficult obfuscation to untangle is how one converts "tokens" to "value". When the value customers rece…

Tokens aren't that much more opaque than RAM GB/s for functions or whatever. You'd have to know the entire infra stack to really understand it. I don't really have a suggestion for a better unit for that kind of stuff.

Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based

#147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(I work at Zed) No, you aren't. We care about you using Zed the editor, and we provide Zed Pro for folks who decide they'd like to support Zed or our billing model works for them. But it's simply an option, not our core business plan, and this pricing is in place to make that option financially viable for us. As long as we don't bear the cost, we don't feel the need (or the right) to put ourselves in the revenue path…

I’m curious if there’s any way to completely disable/remove `zed.dev` provider from Zed, while keeping others available?

If you sign out of zed, zed's providers don't work. I believe you still see them in the AI panel, but it won't operate.

Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based

#148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like Zed stopped working on the editor itself since AI was rolled out. I also wanted it to be the open-source alternative to Sublime, but nothing comes close.

If the full magnitude of products that stopped working on the main product and started to try to shoehorn AI in was known, the economy would collapse overnight.

Intellij wasn't immune to it either. Number of bugs has exploded since they started adding ai features to their ide, none of which I used for more than 5 minutes.

Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based

#150

Zed was supposed to be the answer to Atom / Sublime Text in my opinion, and I kinda do want to use it as my main driver, but it just isn’t there yet for me. It’s shameful because I like its aesthetics as a product more than the competition out there. Just this other day I tried using it for something it sort of advertised itself as the superior thing, which was to load this giant text file I had instantly and let me…

CotEditor is quite good with very large files.

https://github.com/coteditor/CotEditor

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