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Re: Just let me select text

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On Android, long press home button activates Google Assistant that can OCR the current screen and translate immediately. Unironically one of the only two features keeping me on Android until now.

Interesting. I screenshot then send to Google Lens which is obviously more of a hassle than what you're describing. But I have gestures enabled and so no home button. I wonder what is the gesture-equivalent of long-pressing on home.

Press and hold bottom line - I use it regularly

Re: Just let me select text

#143
I too am a selector of text. I select text for many valid reasons. I have never selected text for an invalid reason.

A lot of websites include (anti-)features that make it extremely difficult for me to read and this severely limits the amount that I interact with the site. Features that hijack text selection in some way or preventing it entirely for whatever misguided reason are some of the worst offenders. Yes, I realise that not everything is for me -- I am getting that message loud and clear.

Preventing text selection is one of the most egregious and hostile ways to make your software unfriendly, but those insidious "share this quote" popout drawers are slowly fading in right behind it[0], hyperactively reflowing the layout and appending random snippets of selected text to the URL.

Reading is the most basic, most fundamental way to interact with the web. It's fundamental to using software in general. It seems to be necessary to point out that 'reading' and 'looking at' are not interchangeable terms. Frankly, designers should know better.

[0] Except they're not, because you can't select the text, obviously.

Re: Just let me select text

#144
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I already asked below, how and where does it break? Hacker News is fully selectable, and still fully useable with the keyboard. > it's not that onerous to type it. Yes it is, if I don't even know what the letters are. Not every country uses the latin alphabet. And not every people coming to latin-alphabet countries know what those letters are.

Hacker news isn't "fully selectable". Just try to highlight the text in the reply/update/submit buttons.

I can select the word reply, like sibling poster said, but also the glyphs.

https://imgur.com/hEDe7Vd

Re: Just let me select text

#145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hacker news isn't "fully selectable". Just try to highlight the text in the reply/update/submit buttons.

I can select the word "Reply" with no issues

Inside the button? Not the link? What OS/Browser?

Re: Just let me select text

#146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

isn't selectable because it breaks the UX for keyboard-only users. Has nothing to do with "thinking" anything. It's about testing with accessibility parameters and knowing* what practical problems occur. If you really need to translate ONE WORD, it's not that onerous to type it. You're bringing edge-case hypotheticals to a discussion about practical functionality.

Yeah, because fuck people who require additional accessibility options, right? On top of the real concerns around otherwise selectable text in a writing system not supported by the user's keyboard, there's also the issue of whether or not they can even operate enough of a keyboard to transcribe whatever text they want to translate.

> Yeah, because fuck people who require additional accessibility options, right?

Just do whatever you want and then listen to your actual users' feedback.

I worked on an application that I had to make button text not selectable because the old people using it kept selecting text on the buttons by mistake instead of clicking/activating the button and getting stuck during a clinical trial.

Should I have left it selectable to pass the HN accessibility shamers purity tests, or listened to the users?

Re: Just let me select text

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post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hacker news isn't "fully selectable". Just try to highlight the text in the reply/update/submit buttons.

I can select the word reply, like sibling poster said, but also the glyphs. https://imgur.com/hEDe7Vd

Yeah, I removed the "glyphs" thing from my comment, because I realized they were SVG backgrounds, not actually text, but that is a common place to use user-select: none, on elements with font faces that are symbols.

I am curious what operating system you can select text from the buttons on though. I might spin up browserstack to experiment.

Re: Just let me select text

#148

As a web dev, I fully agree with this, but with a huge exception: clickable text. Anything that is meant to be read as content should absolutely, without fail, be selectable and copyable (assuming appropriate permissions). But stuff like tab headers, buttons, or even text-sparse tiles - things meant for the user to click on - can, and usually should , prevent text selection. It is super annoying to be clicking back a…

It's always bothered me that links on webpages are single click to open. They should require double clicking to open (like just about everything else on a computer) and single click should be used to start selecting text, like everywhere else on a computer.

A double-click would better represent intent/consent, too, which the web has had long had issues with. Accidentally clicking things is too easy and frequent.

Re: Just let me select text

#150

Given that this page has the following styles which aren't applied anywhere else on the blog: body { -webkit-user-select: none; -webkit-touch-callout: none; -moz-user-select: none; -ms-user-select: none; user-select: none; } I think it's safe to assume that being unable to select text on this page is not unintentional, as several comments here assume, nor "ironic", but an intentional effort to demonstrate how annoyin…

Are people these days so dense (i.e. stupid) they couldn't figure out it was a joke by the author?
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