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A New Internet Business Model?

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Re: A New Internet Business Model?

#141
Personally, I’m of the view that the internet is like a bulletin board: If you post your content publicly then it can be read publicly. Paywalls and required log-ins are perfectly OK.

I think what Cloudflare is advocating for is preservation of a “public+Ads” bundle where ads are viewed by a human. So they want to disentangle a computer reading something (the core premise of the internet) from a human putting eyes on it.

I wouldn’t mind see a world in which more content is private and the creator can decide how to monetize. It feels like Cloudflare stepping in to say public != public is an overreach.

Re: A New Internet Business Model?

#142
> Imagine a future business model of the Internet that doesn't reward traffic-generating ragebait but instead rewards those content creators that help fill in the holes in our collective metaphorical cheese. That will involve some portion of the subscription fees AI companies collect, and some portion of the revenue from the ads they'll inevitably serve, going back to content creators who most enrich the collective knowledge.

Reminds me of that bit of Snow Crash, where the freelancers sell data to the Library of Congress.

Re: A New Internet Business Model?

#143

Personally, I’m of the view that the internet is like a bulletin board: If you post your content publicly then it can be read publicly. Paywalls and required log-ins are perfectly OK. I think what Cloudflare is advocating for is preservation of a “public+Ads” bundle where ads are viewed by a human. So they want to disentangle a computer reading something (the core premise of the internet) from a human putting eyes on…

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Re: A New Internet Business Model?

#144
post #86

ads have been the only micropayment system that has worked Why are micropayments so hard? I wonder how the web would look like if one could click "pay 1 cent to continue". Maybe content would become better? Maybe it would make one think "Hmm... one moment, is this something I want to read or am I just doomscrolling?".

The only hard thing about micropayments is that "payments" is a worldwide monopoly and the incumbents don't want it to exist.

Now, the problem with micropayments gated sites is that you are trying to gate the exact thing that attracts people, so don't expect this business model to work.

Re: A New Internet Business Model?

#145
"Make no mistake, the Internet has never been free."

Honestly, this sounds like a Mozilla press release. The spin is absurd

Before ISPs existed, someone else paid. Universities, governments, selected corporations, etc.

After ISPs (post-UUNet), internet subscribers have always had to pay

Who finances the data collection, i.e., the transfer of data from/about subscribers to the so-called "tech" company for commercial exploitation. Hint: It is not the so-called "tech" companies

When I first accessed the internet, and later the www, the term "creators" was never used to describe people who used it

Methinks "creators" is SillyCon Valley speak for "unpaid independent contractors". Why not use the term "producers"

The gigantic websites comprised of other peoples' work, today's so-called "platforms", are not "creators", they produce nothing. Despite billions of dollars at their disposal, and vast amounts of published material, their production costs are small. This is because production costs are outsourced to unpaid independent contractors. The material the "platforms" publish does not belong to them, they are only third party intermediaries (middlemen)

In the original internet, people publishing on the internet via websites produced the website content themselves

Today, "platforms" are not creating anything except a baited trap for people using the internet, whether they are "creators" (producers) or consumers, where internet users can be spied on for advertising purposes. And the targets of this surveillance and subsequent targeted advertising will even pay for sending the surveillance data collected to the interlopers

Today's "creators" may be paid (if they are lucky, like winning a lottery) or not (the other 99%, their free contributions serve as bait). But "make no mistake", it is not the third party intermediary "platforms" that pay "creators", it is advertisers, but only after the "platforms" (middlemen) take a cut

SillyCon Valley calls this an "ecosystem". But today's internet, cf. the original one, IMHO looks more like a toxic waste dump

Re: A New Internet Business Model?

#147
post #31

> As we think about our role at Cloudflare in this developing market, it's not about protecting the status quo but instead helping catalyze a better business model for the future of Internet content creation. That means creating a level playing field. Ideally there should be lots of AI companies, large and small, and lots of content creators, large and small. Not mentioned: there would be a single gatekeeper for the…

an American company controlling the internet

Re: A New Internet Business Model?

#148
Do people think of CF as a leader in terms of solutions that are "open, collaborative, standardized, and shared across many organizations"? My impression is that their open source work is mostly Cloudflare-specific client libraries and the occasional passion project from their engineers. Quiche may be a counter example, but it's a rare exception.

Examples:

Pingora claims to be battle-tested, but I have a hard time believing that it's to the same level of quality as whatever Cloudflare runs internally. https://github.com/cloudflare/pingora/issues/601

https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-oxy/ was not open source.

Small parts of Oxy were open sourced as "foundations" but the repo gives off the impression of a checkbox for someone rather than a serious commitment to building CF's own services on top of it — not "open, collaborative, standardized, and shared across many organizations".

Re: A New Internet Business Model?

#149

Everyone seems to be dismissing this without reading it. As a content publisher, I am very interested in any proposal that results in me getting residual payments from AI scrapers. That would indeed be a new internet business model. This is also being attempted by RSL with their “Crawler Authentication Protocol” ( https://rslstandard.org/guide/web-crawlers ) for demanding proof of licensing from scrapers and RSL Coll…

I like the IDEA of residual payments for content on paper. Brave browser tried this, but it didn't get enough traction from publishers of note to be viable. But I think, at least in theory, the idea of me as a consumer having some money attached to my eyeballs for the person/people who created the content I'm seeking out is a good one. Paywalls are annoying and awful, and unfortunately they seem to encourage data hording and selling practices that are unsavory. But I like the model of simply opening the browser, visiting a page, and the creators getting some royalty from that. The system we have now is too exploitative - it extracts more value that it creates.

Re: A New Internet Business Model?

#150
> We have a pretty good mathematical representation of human knowledge...

> Swiss Cheese — there's a lot of cheese, but there's also a lot of holes.

Such hubris! Human knowledge is not like Swiss (mostly known with a few gaps). Human knowledge is like a high-dimensional fractal broccoli: a stem of hard-won knowledge surrounded by a vast frontier of unknown. The hardest part of pushing on the frontier is deciding where to push. Deciding what to research requires taste.

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