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When Knowing Someone at Meta Is the Only Way to Break Out of "Content Jail"

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Post by smelendez »

freedomben wrote: post #102
barbazoo wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's pretty shameful that these large companies have no real way to contact them. Along the same lines, I think organizations shouldn't be allowed to send out email but not receive email at the same address, e.g. noreply@. That's just hostile in general.

I fully agree that it is shameful that we can't contact these companies, but suppose you want to send 2fa tokens as a startup. Should you not be allowed to offer 2fa through email unless you're at a scale where you can answer every reply email?

You would impose the rule after a certain threshold.

It could even be quite high, like $100 million or $1 billion in annual revenue.

Re: When Knowing Someone at Meta Is the Only Way to Break Out of "Content Jail"

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Post by smelendez »

jongjong wrote: post #112
hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firebase technicians allegedly attempted to contact gmail support, but found that gmail did not have an inbound support contact and thus the firebase technicians were unable to rectify their issue.* *This entire post is fabricated satire. Though, I would not be shocked if it were true.

Even inside a big corporation, even as an employee, it's hard to figure out who to talk to about various issues. So as an outsider, it feels impossible. For security reasons, corporations don't want staff talking directly with customers. So the corporation is a blackbox with very limited communication abilities; both internal and external. It does a lot of things which affect a lot of people but if you fall through s…

Yes, but other corporations that offer public telecommunications services have tech support, however mediocre, even if you can’t just call and ask to speak to engineering.

As I recall that was even true of the free dialup ISPs (NetZero, Juno, etc.) back in the ‘90s.

Re: When Knowing Someone at Meta Is the Only Way to Break Out of "Content Jail"

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Post by bsder »

pja wrote: post #88
bsder wrote: post #60

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> I didn't want to actually host my own mail stack Is there a way to only host the receive portion? I'm happy to pay someone to handle all the idiocy around sending email and getting it through Google and Microsoft, but I'd really like to hold my emails myself.

> > I didn't want to actually host my own mail stack > > Is there a way to only host the receive portion? > > I'm happy to pay someone to handle all the idiocy around sending email and getting it through Google and Microsoft, but I'd really like to hold my emails myself. Sure. Set your MX to your own SMTP server but pay a mail delivery service to send your emails & use their SMTP servers as your outgoing server. You'…

> Set your MX to your own SMTP server but pay a mail delivery service to send your emails

Is there a paid mail delivery service that doesn't get marked as spam instantaneously?

Or is there a way to do this through something like Fastmail?

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Post by ropable »

bsder wrote: post #143
pja wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> > I didn't want to actually host my own mail stack > > Is there a way to only host the receive portion? > > I'm happy to pay someone to handle all the idiocy around sending email and getting it through Google and Microsoft, but I'd really like to hold my emails myself. Sure. Set your MX to your own SMTP server but pay a mail delivery service to send your emails & use their SMTP servers as your outgoing server. You'…

> Set your MX to your own SMTP server but pay a mail delivery service to send your emails Is there a paid mail delivery service that doesn't get marked as spam instantaneously? Or is there a way to do this through something like Fastmail?

FWIW I've been using a personal domain hosted at Dreamhost and their mail server for many years and have not had any issues with sending mail from my domain.

Re: When Knowing Someone at Meta Is the Only Way to Break Out of "Content Jail"

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Post by free_bip »

smelendez wrote: post #141
freedomben wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fully agree that it is shameful that we can't contact these companies, but suppose you want to send 2fa tokens as a startup. Should you not be allowed to offer 2fa through email unless you're at a scale where you can answer every reply email?

You would impose the rule after a certain threshold. It could even be quite high, like $100 million or $1 billion in annual revenue.

If you do that, its incredibly easy to get around instructions by contracting out to a tiny "company" that's actually just shell corporation #6485 and say they sent it.

Re: When Knowing Someone at Meta Is the Only Way to Break Out of "Content Jail"

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Post by sizzle »

linsomniac wrote: post #12

Google, especially Google Corp, is very much that way too. One of my users is currently getting a fair bit of spam because a spammer figured out that if they send a message with envelope sender @google.com, rcpt @gmail.com, google.com MX will accept it, then bounce it with NoSuchUser and gmail will accept it. I spent an hour yesterday looking for a way to contact Google about it, but couldn't find anything. Made hard…

Hey I’ve been getting these sketchy Delivery Status Notification (Failure) emails too with my gmail handle but @google.com

“ The response was: The email account that you tried to reach does not exist. Please try double-checking the recipient's email address for typos or unnecessary spaces. For more information, go to https://support.google(.)com/mail/?p=NoSuchUser”

Then it has a phishing email copied below trying to look legitimate.

Can I create a filter to block this spam for good? It’s been happening for over a year now and makes me think one of my emails failed to send so I jump to open it ugh.

Re: When Knowing Someone at Meta Is the Only Way to Break Out of "Content Jail"

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Post by pbiggar »

This is exactly what happened to people speaking up about the genocide in Gaza. 7amleh documented this in multiple reports [1][2][3]. See also [4]

[1] https://7amleh.org/post/erased-and-suppressed-palestinian-te... [2] https://meta.7amleh.org/ [3] https://7amleh.org/post/hashtag-palestine-2024-en [4] https://theintercept.com/2024/10/21/instagram-israel-palesti...

Wondering where the EFF was for that issue?

Re: When Knowing Someone at Meta Is the Only Way to Break Out of "Content Jail"

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Post by jazzyjackson »

freedomben wrote: post #102
barbazoo wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's pretty shameful that these large companies have no real way to contact them. Along the same lines, I think organizations shouldn't be allowed to send out email but not receive email at the same address, e.g. noreply@. That's just hostile in general.

I fully agree that it is shameful that we can't contact these companies, but suppose you want to send 2fa tokens as a startup. Should you not be allowed to offer 2fa through email unless you're at a scale where you can answer every reply email?

You definitely shouldn't be accepting payments without a way for someone to get in touch to say "hey you're overcharging me / double charging me / I want my money back"

If your service is free than I don't think anyone is entitled to customer support, since there aren't really customers in the first place

Re: When Knowing Someone at Meta Is the Only Way to Break Out of "Content Jail"

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Post by [deleted] »

bsder wrote: post #143
pja wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> > I didn't want to actually host my own mail stack > > Is there a way to only host the receive portion? > > I'm happy to pay someone to handle all the idiocy around sending email and getting it through Google and Microsoft, but I'd really like to hold my emails myself. Sure. Set your MX to your own SMTP server but pay a mail delivery service to send your emails & use their SMTP servers as your outgoing server. You'…

> Set your MX to your own SMTP server but pay a mail delivery service to send your emails Is there a paid mail delivery service that doesn't get marked as spam instantaneously? Or is there a way to do this through something like Fastmail?

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Re: When Knowing Someone at Meta Is the Only Way to Break Out of "Content Jail"

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Post by jjav »

bsder wrote: post #60
annoyingcyclist wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been slowly migrating logins off of a @gmail.com email and onto an email at a domain that I own/control for this reason. It's tedious and feels a little like an overreaction (presumably the odds of this happening to individual users are pretty low). On the other hand, the thought of some faceless fraud algorithm deciding that I should no longer have access to the credentials I use to log in to my bank, investmen…

> I didn't want to actually host my own mail stack Is there a way to only host the receive portion? I'm happy to pay someone to handle all the idiocy around sending email and getting it through Google and Microsoft, but I'd really like to hold my emails myself.

> Is there a way to only host the receive portion?

Sure. Set up your email server and have DNS of your domain point the MX record at it so you receive all email directly without any third party involvement. Then, set up outgoing email to forward to some third party which handles delivery for you. IIRC there are some free options even, if your outgoing volume is low.

That said, my email server handles incoming and outgoing email for a handful of domains for self and family, no problem.

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