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React is winning by default and slowing innovation
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Re: React is winning by default and slowing innovation
#142React is winning because its really good. Even if the cost is an extra few milliseconds of render time and few extra hours of dev time figuring out things like hook dependencies. If React starts taking a backseat, it'll be because its no longer really good. And, to be fair: I've started to see this happen. Next & Vercel have totally taken over the React world, and they've proven to make quite poor architectural decis…
+1 React DX is really great. It started really great and it got weird and bloated but it's still really great relative to the JS landscape hell. But, also yes, it's a pain in the ass and a frustrating kind of necessary evil. So there is room for improvements. Nextjs is a living hell. The ironic thing is AI makes it dramatically more tolerable to the point it's actually pretty good. But that can't be a good thing in t…
I don't really recommend isomorphic environments, but if it's your cup of tea, Tanstack Start is making a lot of progress. It removes all of the magic and misdirection of Nextjs and just provides a good light alternative.
Re: React is winning by default and slowing innovation
#143LLMs have more knowledge in React, more than other tools.
Re: React is winning by default and slowing innovation
#144How smooth an experience you have with react really depends upon which framework you use, how old the code is. I have seen many react apps using outdated versions of react that break in interesting ways.
Re: React is winning by default and slowing innovation
#145React is winning because its really good. Even if the cost is an extra few milliseconds of render time and few extra hours of dev time figuring out things like hook dependencies. If React starts taking a backseat, it'll be because its no longer really good. And, to be fair: I've started to see this happen. Next & Vercel have totally taken over the React world, and they've proven to make quite poor architectural decis…
+1 React DX is really great. It started really great and it got weird and bloated but it's still really great relative to the JS landscape hell. But, also yes, it's a pain in the ass and a frustrating kind of necessary evil. So there is room for improvements. Nextjs is a living hell. The ironic thing is AI makes it dramatically more tolerable to the point it's actually pretty good. But that can't be a good thing in t…
React DX is hot garbage. Words cannot express how much I LOATHE hook rules. Coming from a Solid JS background, where reactive primitives are just Javascript functions... I groan every single time I run into (yet another) hook rule.
I have to conditionally render empty fragments because React can't handle conditional hooks. It's the stupidest thing ever. "Oh hey let me allocate memory for this hook that will almost certainly never be used except under edge conditions! Sure, React can do conditional components, but conditional hooks are just too much for us!"
Re: React is winning by default and slowing innovation
#146React is winning because its really good. Even if the cost is an extra few milliseconds of render time and few extra hours of dev time figuring out things like hook dependencies. If React starts taking a backseat, it'll be because its no longer really good. And, to be fair: I've started to see this happen. Next & Vercel have totally taken over the React world, and they've proven to make quite poor architectural decis…
How is it good? I've only had the misfortune of working on two React apps, but they were both a nightmare. It seems like React is great if you have multiple teams that hate each other all working on the same giant frontend app.
https://medium.com/@fulalas/web-crap-has-taken-control-71c45...
Re: React is winning by default and slowing innovation
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
+1 React DX is really great. It started really great and it got weird and bloated but it's still really great relative to the JS landscape hell. But, also yes, it's a pain in the ass and a frustrating kind of necessary evil. So there is room for improvements. Nextjs is a living hell. The ironic thing is AI makes it dramatically more tolerable to the point it's actually pretty good. But that can't be a good thing in t…
I don't really recommend isomorphic environments, but if it's your cup of tea, Tanstack Start is making a lot of progress. It removes all of the magic and misdirection of Nextjs and just provides a good light alternative.
AFAIK "TanStack" doesn't support RSCs? That's a deal breaker for me. Also the guy named his framework after himself, it can't be good.
Re: React is winning by default and slowing innovation
#148Imho react is to FE development what C++ is to games programming. And I'm not saying this in a good sense. In particular their developers demonstrate the same tendencies: - unwillingness to leave behind all the years of experiences they've built on it. I'm not saying one should just for the sake of changing, but if you encounter certain problems, you should at least consider it - unwillingness to really try more mode…
I remember vividly the chaos before React and what it was like to not know whether it was worth investing in a framework because it might not be around for long. Vue was the first one that I stuck with for a while, but Nuxt was being updated slowly at the time and none of the packages ever seemed quite as seamless as the guys in React land had it. I don't even use more than a handful of unique packages per site generally, I just really need those to work out of the box (tm). It's amazing how many very popular slideshow libraries just.. Break.
I love the idea of a modern & efficient framework that replaces it all, but in terms of hiring, training, maintaining and all of those boring yet vital things it's going to have to be something quite special to make a case for itself. Being able to render 100k table line updates simultaneously instead of 10k or whatever isn't fundamentally going to make the difference for all of those other requirements.
When did I become this person. How depressing. At least there always fun new tech on the backend to play with on weekends.
Re: React is winning by default and slowing innovation
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Re: React is winning by default and slowing innovation
#150React (and Elm and the many other inspired frameworks) is a beautiful model for writing apps but because it is not the browser's model it is an instance of the "Inner Platform Effect" anti-pattern. The performance is never going to be as good as embracing the built in features of the browser and using minimal JS to accomplish the interaction you need. Maybe it can be justified for real apps like desktop apps but the…
To some degree, and to madlib your statement, alike how: C code is never going to be good as embracing the built-in features of the x86 asmcode and using minimal code to accomplish what you need. Which is to say, that isn't really a goal or objective, imo: it's an unhealthy prediction for misoptimizations, to worship the vanilla.js performance above all past. More-so, there were so many very very very unperformant we…
You are right. But the difference is a C compiler in theory can add optimisations, but React is a runtime and cant optimise your code (just itself).
That said if React were to be adopted as a web standard it might be possible.