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Nepal Bans 26 Social Media Platforms, Including Facebook and YouTube

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Re: Nepal Bans 26 Social Media Platforms, Including Facebook and YouTube

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"Hunger in Abysland" // "Ah, right, I just started a diet" // "Immediately I thought it funny to remember that once we also had little to eat" Appropriateness.

Since you added context to my comment that I didn't ask for, I'm going to add some to yours that you didn't ask for. Because of an unknown metabolic disorder, I watched my wife starve to death. She literally died from malnutrition. It was the most awful ugly thing I've ever seen. You have no idea what you're talking about or who you're talking to.

Sorry, but I suppose there is an ugly thing I should add, geocrasher.

It remains very unfortunate that I came to pick a simile about hunger not knowing about your past - to signify in perching_aix's case that abstincence better be voluntary and in yours that loss of something achieved remains a bad thing.

The ugly thing: about "having no idea what I'm talking about",

we are both in this world together - and the rest. We all have seen hell and misery, in the different forms that chance and the evolution of facts inflicted us. I felt immediate participation to your story. Do not suppose, for good or bad, that you are an exception.

We all have seen and lived the most horrible things.

Re: Nepal Bans 26 Social Media Platforms, Including Facebook and YouTube

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> This is a cliche "think of the children" argument. Stripping away anonymity is a gargantuan problem, and enables authoritarian regimes to punish dissent. So we agree: authoritarian regimes are a gargantuan problem, not stripping away anonymity. > Trolls are a very minor problem comparatively. Online predator almost killed my child - this is not a "very minor problem". At least not for me. > This is essentially sayi…

Almost killed your one child. Authoritarian governments have murdered many more. At some point the disingenous concerned parents need to start dealing with their own parenting instead of pretending we need to live in 1984 just because your bad parenting requires it. Your way has many more deaths of government dissenters. Stop using "death" as a scare tactic. Much like the "war on terror" supporters, it's a fraud.

I don’t know about any deaths (or imprisonment) of government dissenters in Poland (where I come from). Do you know any?

Maybe oppressive government and lack of freedom of speech is a problem in your country, I don’t know that and I’m sorry for you. My suggestion would be though, that you try to fix your government instead of anonymously requiring online anonymity because you’re afraid of your own government.

I guess here in Poland trying to protect people from theft and violence is more pressing issue than freedom of speech.

Re: Nepal Bans 26 Social Media Platforms, Including Facebook and YouTube

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> This is a cliche "think of the children" argument. Stripping away anonymity is a gargantuan problem, and enables authoritarian regimes to punish dissent. So we agree: authoritarian regimes are a gargantuan problem, not stripping away anonymity. > Trolls are a very minor problem comparatively. Online predator almost killed my child - this is not a "very minor problem". At least not for me. > This is essentially sayi…

Post your full name and address if you're so happy with lack of anonymity.

I’m sure you know the difference between publication of your personal data and making it accessible for trusted government officials.

Re: Nepal Bans 26 Social Media Platforms, Including Facebook and YouTube

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> And where did you intend to go? Where I said I did. I explained it to you several times over. I can only do so much if you're not willing to listen or are unable to relate. > (Many of them are here, your peers in these pages.) In front of them, going "I found out there are bright sides" would make them go "Duude...". Cool - and if the same thing happened in Russia and I posted this to my Russian mates on Discord [1…

Have you read the rest? > not willing to listen You think you show much hearing on this side? In front of what is happening in Nepal and elsewhere, the reduction of the matter to "oh a break from social media is healthy" is neither on point nor constructive - very simple. The constructive part you meant to convey, I still do not get. > I did not engage in any Apart from the one I pointed to and the other ones I have…

> Have you read the rest?

Regrettably yes, I did. It was a waste of time.

> You think you show much hearing on this side?

Yes.

> In front of what is happening in Nepal and elsewhere, the reduction of the matter to "oh a break from social media is healthy" is neither on point nor constructive - very simple.

I understand that that's your position. Would have been pretty hard to miss. I just feel otherwise. I'd think that's been hard to miss too.

> The constructive part you meant to convey, I still do not get.

That's regrettable. Unfortunately, you've spent all the empathy I had for you regarding this, so that's something you'll need to reflect on on your own terms if you want to figure it out.

> Apart from the one I pointed to

No, including that one, as that isn't one.

> because you clearly do not seem to get it

I'm not responsible for empathizing with myself on your behalf. I very clearly do get it, which you'd be able to appreciate, if you bothered to even consider its possibility.

> I hope you have seen the frontpage now, "14 Killed in protests in Nepal over social media ban"

I have not. Nepal is not what my world revolves around, and I've been working all day.

Not sure that's the most appropriate way to mention that by the way, you almost sound excited for it, as if those 14 people having deceased now lets you "prove" your point. Would be pretty dishonest and inciteful to frame it this way, right? Then why are you doing it to others?

> over social media ban" - which, as already a number of posts reveal, is not about social media

Can you be bothered to restrain yourself from encoding your conviction into every sentence supposedly meant to persuade? It's like announcing the decision before the trial.

It'd go an awful long way in at least making it appear like you actually wanted to persuade someone, rather than just talk about how hurt you feel and expecting to be finally heard for it by magical happenstance.

I get it, you think I should be treating this as if children were dying, as if there was a famine, whatever. I don't want to. I think that's beyond asinine and pointless. It can still be, and is, serious despite this, it's not a race. It can even escalate. It's also not just a single modality, things can be serious in different ways. Would be awfully cool if I didn't need to wade through your loaded sentences to be graciously allowed to have my own position, and not be portrayed as some heartless asshole for it.

> The benefits of your "abstinence" have little to do with this.

I disagree. Not sure how your insistence that we were being insensitive, and how that means we shouldn't have shared these things, helps these folks though.

By the way, you do recognize just how utterly ironic is it to campaign for us not to talk about something in a thread about censorship, right? I restrained myself from mentioning it so far, as a way to show some solidarity. But it's clearly not being appreciated, so fuck it.

Edit: I have since read the news on the unrest in Nepal. It did way more to contextualize this and why my comment might have been insensitive and misguided than this "discussion" ever could have. Turns out, mentioning that the place is volatile and despotic would have been pretty key info. It's still extremely hindsight heavy though. Like do you have even the remotest concept just how similar this news was in this thread to many many others before it? Where the place wasn't so unabashedly authoritarian that police is licensed to fire live ammo at citizens, and didn't result in an unrest and death? So far removed in perspective, no shit I didn't have a clue why you are making a scene! If this is you "raising awareness", there's a LOT you should improve on, holy shit.

Re: Nepal Bans 26 Social Media Platforms, Including Facebook and YouTube

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Post your full name and address if you're so happy with lack of anonymity.

I’m sure you know the difference between publication of your personal data and making it accessible for trusted government officials.

"trusted government officials" is such a funny line. Clearly you haven't seen how government workers work. Hint, they're usually not paid all that well and are not to be trusted.

In any case, if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about, dude. Isn't that the line?

Clearly you can't live up by the standards you want to impose on others.

Re: Nepal Bans 26 Social Media Platforms, Including Facebook and YouTube

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Almost killed your one child. Authoritarian governments have murdered many more. At some point the disingenous concerned parents need to start dealing with their own parenting instead of pretending we need to live in 1984 just because your bad parenting requires it. Your way has many more deaths of government dissenters. Stop using "death" as a scare tactic. Much like the "war on terror" supporters, it's a fraud.

I don’t know about any deaths (or imprisonment) of government dissenters in Poland (where I come from). Do you know any? Maybe oppressive government and lack of freedom of speech is a problem in your country, I don’t know that and I’m sorry for you. My suggestion would be though, that you try to fix your government instead of anonymously requiring online anonymity because you’re afraid of your own government. I guess…

My suggestion is that you learn about history. Because suppressing the ability to write anonymously and have private unmonitored conversations is paramount for political dissent. I'm sure you can find a moment in the history of Poland where having to look over your shoulders when you said something against government policies was a thing. Or are you blind to your own history?

> I guess here in Poland trying to protect people from theft and violence is more pressing issue than freedom of speech

I guess you're the kind that learned from the tactics of your oppressors from both sides and want to implement those in the guise of safety.

You don't need to remove civil rights to prevent theft and violence the same way you don't need to nuke a city to combat rape.

Tackle the real problem instead of removing the most fundamental of rights so you can suppress speech and dissent you dislike, which is all this is.

Very easily it becomes, you can't say this about party B or party A, you can't have this political position.

Give me a break.

Again, all these things posted by people who don't share their full name and address. Do it, the government will share yours anyway, voluntarily or not.

Re: Nepal Bans 26 Social Media Platforms, Including Facebook and YouTube

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I’m sure you know the difference between publication of your personal data and making it accessible for trusted government officials.

"trusted government officials" is such a funny line. Clearly you haven't seen how government workers work. Hint, they're usually not paid all that well and are not to be trusted. In any case, if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about, dude. Isn't that the line? Clearly you can't live up by the standards you want to impose on others.

> In any case, if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about, dude. Isn't that the line?

I have nothing to worry about from my government - that's the important difference.

Re: Nepal Bans 26 Social Media Platforms, Including Facebook and YouTube

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I don’t know about any deaths (or imprisonment) of government dissenters in Poland (where I come from). Do you know any? Maybe oppressive government and lack of freedom of speech is a problem in your country, I don’t know that and I’m sorry for you. My suggestion would be though, that you try to fix your government instead of anonymously requiring online anonymity because you’re afraid of your own government. I guess…

My suggestion is that you learn about history. Because suppressing the ability to write anonymously and have private unmonitored conversations is paramount for political dissent. I'm sure you can find a moment in the history of Poland where having to look over your shoulders when you said something against government policies was a thing. Or are you blind to your own history? > I guess here in Poland trying to protec…

> Tackle the real problem instead of removing the most fundamental of rights so you can suppress speech and dissent you dislike, which is all this is.

But the real problem is oppressive government. My government is not oppressive - my government is here to help me and help the society to maintain civil rights.

The view that it is the government that is against civil rights is anarchistic and... wrong. In reality it is the opposite: the only way to maintain civil rights is to have the rule of law and the government that protects them.

What's more: anonymity itself has to be guarded by... the government (and that's what you require). So your logic is twisted: you trust your government to protect anonymity while at the same time you don't trust it to protect freedom of speech.

Re: Nepal Bans 26 Social Media Platforms, Including Facebook and YouTube

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Let me guess, it was Alex Jones. Did he fall out of a window?

Ah. This is it, folks. You're a liar and you project your lies. Incapable of realising how people have lived shit in history. Go google "disappeared people in military dictatorships" and maybe, just maybe, you'll learn something about authoritians and how they dealt with "subversives". Not everyone here lives in the US. Your account is 17 hours old and you want to find the "enemy within". Aren't you the enemy within?…

Very ironic.

I actually am a foreign actor (effectively like your own president). I'm British.

Jones is a rabble rouser, as is most of the "right" in the US. You'd do well to learn how to spot them, and like your president, he's only interested with stuffing his pockets with money.

Enjoy your fascism - comes with a free side of disappearing people. I'm sure you'll be Pinchoeted in no time at all based on your narrative once it's all locked in.

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