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AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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Codeium had an airgap solution until they were in talks with OpenAI and pulled it back. It worked on prem and they even told you what hardware to buy

You can still extract the model weights from an on-prem machine. It has all the same problems of media DRM, and large enterprises do not accept unknown recording and surveillance that they cannot control

I am not sure what you mean. I work at a large Enterprise and we did not unleash it on our baseline and it couldn’t phone home but it was really good for writing unit tests. That sped things up for us.

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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I expect we will continue to see the big AI companies pushing for privacy protections. Sam Altman made a comparison to attorney-client privilege in an interview. There is a significant hold out to using these things as fully trusted personal assistants or personal knowledge bases because of the lack of privacy. The only real solution is locally running models, but that goes against the business model. So instead they…

You really think that Altman won’t turn around and start selling ads once enough people are on OpenAI’s “trusted” platform?

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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That's hilarious given that Reddit is utterly overrun with blatant, low-quality LLM accounts using ChatGPT to post comments and gain karma, and several of the "text stories" on the front page from subs like AITA are blatant AI slop that the users (or other bots?) are eating up. I suspect sites like Reddit don't care about a few% false positive rate, without considering in context that bot farmers literally do not car…

>That's hilarious given that Reddit is utterly overrun with blatant, low-quality LLM accounts using ChatGPT to post comments and gain karma, and several of the "text stories" on the front page from subs like AITA are blatant AI slop that the users (or other bots?) are eating up. Check out this post [1] in which the post includes part of the LLM response ("This kind of story involves classic AITA themes: family drama,…

Over the past two years, I have also seen many similar stories where the majority of users were unable to recognize that these stories were AI-generated. I fear for the future of democracy if the masses are so easily deceived. Does anyone have any good ideas on how to counteract this?

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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Not using Facebook doesn't help either though. My new co-worker didn't have one but needed it for his job so he made an account and was immediately flagged for suspicious activity.

What did he do that was deemed suspicious? Send a large number of friend requests very quickly after joining ( (LinkedIn ramped up anti-bot/inauthentic-user heuristics like that a few years ago. Sadly they are necessary. Near-impossible for heuristics to distinguish between real humans with inauthentic or suspiciously commercial behavior.)

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Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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Per the Linux Foundation it is inappropriate to speak of programs as "hung" due to the political and social history associated with hanging. What makes you think "ricing" would be considered acceptable language in today's context?

I don't remember voting the Linux Foundation into power as global word police

I also don't remember voting to allow doublespeak to be the dominant form of definition.

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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It seems highly unlikely to me that it will be banned by congress in the next few years, if ever. So, what we really should be asking is how do we live in a world of pervasive surveillance, where everything we do and say is being recorded, saved, analyzed, and potentially used to manipulate us. As I write this, sitting in Peet's Coffee in downtown Los Altos, I count three different cameras recording me, and I'm using…

Opt out as much as possible.

If spaces like that irk you, stop going there. Limit your use of the Internet to when you're at home on your own network. Do we truly need to be browsing HN and other sites when we're out of the house?

Ditch the smartphone. Most things that people claim you need a smartphone for "in order to exist in modern society" can also be done via a laptop or a desktop, including banking. You don't need access to everything in the world tucked neatly away in your pocket when you're going grocery shopping, for instance.

Buy physical media so that your viewing habits aren't tracked relentlessly. Find hobbies that get you away from it all (I backpack!).

Fuck off from social media. Support hobby-based forums and small websites that put good faith into not participating in tracking and advertising, if possible.

Limit when you use the internet, and how.

It's hard to escape from it, but we can significantly limit our interactions with it.

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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Honestly, retargeting/personalized ads have never bothered me. If I'm gonna see ads anyway, I'd much rather get ads that might actually interest me, versus wildly irrelevant pharmaceutical drugs and other nonsense.

If I'm going to be psychologically manipulated, I want my psychological profile to be tracked and targeted specifically to my everyday behaviors.

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Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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This is a great point. Everyone who has talked with chatbots at all: please note that all contents of your past conversations with chatbots (that already exist now, and that you can't meaningfully delete!) could be used in the future to target ads to you, manipulate you financially and politically, and sell "personalized influence on you specifically" as a service to the highest bidder. Just wanted to make sure y'all…

Honestly, retargeting/personalized ads have never bothered me. If I'm gonna see ads anyway, I'd much rather get ads that might actually interest me, versus wildly irrelevant pharmaceutical drugs and other nonsense.

This is not how personal targeting works. Here's how:

> Each Shiftkey nurse is offered a different pay-scale for each shift. Apps use commercially available financial data – purchased on the cheap from the chaotic, unregulated data broker sector – to predict how desperate each nurse is. The less money you have in your bank accounts and the more you owe on your credit cards, the lower the wage the app will offer you.

https://pluralistic.net/2024/12/18/loose-flapping-ends/#luig...

Re: AI surveillance should be banned while there is still time

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ASI doesn't change physics. Perun has a very good explanation why defending against nukes is impossible to do economically compared to just having more nukes and mutually assured destruction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpFhNXecrb4

Who said anything about economically?

Any potential ASI would still be limited by raw resources and even if you assume all work would be done by robots, somebody would still have to build those robots first. Such a ramp up in production would give everyone else time to build their own ASIs or strike first.
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