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Post by the_snooze »

binsquare wrote: post #44

I've been part of startups, big corps and have recently started my own startup. I've also heard from executives and management discuss how they work longer hours (from 1:1s as a dev myself). Now as a founder, many of my peers discuss working 24/7 or close to it. Most don't - but there's a hustle culture that glamorized lack of sleep as a badge of honor. The reality is that the "work" is very different for these diffe…

It's basically a cult at that point. Isolate the followers, give them the carrot of purpose in life, and give them the stick of getting cast out.

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Post by mberning »

This is basically code for only wanting to hire young people with little or no commitments outside of work. As a bonus they usually undervalue themselves.

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Post by jtr1 »

ramesh31 wrote: post #121

I think it's fine for kids who want to do that. You should try to get yourself into a situation around other motivated kids who want to do something great together as a tight knit focused team at that age; it's fun and you'll make lifelong friends. But by 30 you'll start to understand that work is just a tiny part of life and not really what matters at all. It will naturally shake itself out by then as simply no one…

One way of looking at companies advertising 996 is just that it’s a convenient legal proxy for ageism

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

...it's strange that one of my favorite things about working at a sleepaway summer camp was the fact we were more-or-less always working. During the hours in the middle of the day when I wasn't directly responsible for my 16 kids, I was usually planning for what to do once they got back—sometimes by myself, but often with other adults. We all lived together, of course.

The job felt immersive and all-encompassing. My colleagues and I had a singular mission to make the kids' experience as spectacular as possible. It's hard for me to imagine another job replicating that, but maybe it could be done?

Re: 996

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Post by hedora »

All the engineers that I’ve worked with that were doing 12 hour x 6 days ended up being drags on the rest of the team. Their 2am fever dream garbage would hit prod, and then it’d take a full time support person to apologize to customers while two full time engineers wasted a week refactoring production into something that worked.

Anyway, I’ve noticed I can only work 6 hours if I write code myself, but can easily hit 10 hours vibe coding / reviewing / writing the tricky bits.

Has anyone tried 10-4 these days? It’s still 40 hours per week, but feels more sustainable.

Re: 996

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Post by Calavar »

WiSaGaN wrote: post #26
grantdong wrote: post #18

In China, its birthplace, '996' always seen as practice of failed management. Because for at least half of the 72-hour workweek, most employee will mentally checkout (in Chinese we call this 摸鱼). Although middle managers know their subordinates are inefficient, they still impose working hour KPI on their team, so they can demonstrate their own value to upper management.

China is not the birthplace of so called '996'. Long before tech scene in China, there are a lot of investment banks doing that in HK especially for junior analysts. Calling 996 a China thing is just orientlalism. Everything bad is Chinese, everything good is western.

China is the birthplace of the term 996. Of course it's not the birthplace of people being coerced into unhealthy work hours - that's been around for thousands of years.

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Post by [deleted] »

michaelt wrote: post #16

> The truth is, China’s really doing ‘007’ now—midnight to midnight, seven days a week This sounds like the new generation's equivalent of 1980s bosses exhorting people to "give 110%"

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Post by mythrwy »

taminka wrote: post #10

not only are you missing out on what makes life great and worth living w/ this arrangement, but from a strictly utilitarian standpoint, working that many hours your productivity plummets (unless you're on stimulants), and it's just straight up more effective to work fewer hours...

The stimulants don't help ultimately. You are just taking out a loan that eventually will have to be paid back. With interest.
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