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Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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post #131

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The 'internet tax' will not last, either, I fear. Loads of VPNs are simply, someone other than the local ISP gets your data. Mullvad seems trustworthy, as an exception to this, and who else? And even then, Mullvad faces issues from websites and censorious countries trying to block it and bother its users all the time.

What about a VPS and ssh -D ?

Where is your VPN hosted? A lot of sites will block vps hosts.

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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> In my 20s I was promiscious and lived what I saw in pornography, only later in life I learned about normal sex. News flash. That is normal in your 20s and always has been .

Only for the last few decades, this has almost always been a taboo across all of humanity, this high level promiscuity you speak of. Hardly a normative experience across space and time.

It only really became taboo due to religion and the associated oppression of women.

Humans, for the vast majority of the time they existed, were largely free range. Lots and lots of sex. I assure you, hunter gatherers were not monogamous suburbanites who attended their white Christian church.

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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post #6

The choice citizens have now is between an 'internet licence' (submit ID's to myriad sites), or an 'internet tax' (VPN). Super annoying! Given Australia doesn't even require Age Verification on porn sites (only on social media sites), the incentives hint this was strongly supported by legacy media (90% of Aussie media is owned by two companies, Newscorp and Nine Entertainment). The internet licence will make it diffi…

> Given Australia doesn't even require Age Verification on porn sites (only on social media sites) Am I only one who sees loophole in creating a social media site, which will be a porn site first? FaceHub or Pornbook.

Not a loop hole. The Minister may declare anything to be a social media site. The law does not restrict what may be considered.

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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post #83

While I'll immediately believe their complaints about political shenanigans and publicity stunts going on in the EU commission, this post very obviously intentionally ignores good-faith efforts at building out privacy-preserving age verification using ZKP. They're laying into a strawman - with gusto - when they attack age verification methods that are objectively worse than the commission's best proposal. It's hurtin…

Privacy-preserving good-faith efforts requiring a Google/Apple account and a phone passing Play Integrity (or an iPhone)

They might be "good faith" in terms of the relationship between corpos and government, but they most certainly are not good faith in the relationship between corpos and individual software freedom. One can't simply sprinkle ZKP faerie dust and obtain any desired security properties. These systems simply cannot provide the claimed security properties without relying on treacherous computing that prevents individuals from running the software of their choosing on their own devices.

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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post #83

While I'll immediately believe their complaints about political shenanigans and publicity stunts going on in the EU commission, this post very obviously intentionally ignores good-faith efforts at building out privacy-preserving age verification using ZKP. They're laying into a strawman - with gusto - when they attack age verification methods that are objectively worse than the commission's best proposal. It's hurtin…

Privacy-preserving good-faith efforts requiring a Google/Apple account and a phone passing Play Integrity (or an iPhone)

Can you provide more context on this?

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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No, because law-abiding companies can't offer tools to circumvent the law. As the article says, all this means is that law-abiding porn sites (that, for example, respond to requests to delete CSAM and revenge porn) will go bankrupt and everybody will be driven to sketchypron.xxx instead.

So radar detectors for cars don't exist?

They're not sold by car companies, and they're illegal in many countries.

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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post #138

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> Yes. Sending your government issued id to random porn sites is asking for your identity to be stolen. Ah, so you don't understand what's being proposed. Let me clear that up. The implementation proposed by the EU does not involve your government issued id, but rather an openid style handoff to a trusted government entity, where you verify your identity with your government, followed by a handback along with a proof…

A lot of disgusting legal porn exists. Revenge porn is just boring amateur porn that doesn't have consent attached. Both parties may or may not have knowledge of it and someone decides to share after the relationship ends. It's part of their relationship, its a real event that shows a moment of closeness and its an expression of real love. It doesn't interest me but to find you think its so disgusting sounds fake. Pe…

> It doesn't interest me but to find you think its so disgusting sounds fake.

Hello! I think it's incredibly disgusting. Uploading intimate videos of your partner (past or present) is an absolute breach of that individual's privacy and trust. Additionally, it absolutely is NOT legal. I think it's quite alarming if someone doesn't find it disgusting.

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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post #48

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Why don't they do things that are within their control. Such as mandatory site filtering options. So the same place you pay your bill, you can also set which sites you want to be blocked by an "admin" password. Or are they afraid that people will add tracking.facebook.com to the block list? The chances of the kids stealing the admin password are about as likely as the kids stealing your age verification password that…

Parents dont want to be the "bad guy" or parents in any real sense.

And as another commenter points out, this also requires parents to unionize and enforce blocks together. (”Block en bloc” if you will.) Otherwise Timmy just uses Johnny’s phone to watch XXX videos.

I’m not arguing for either side, just pointing out a reality of the situation.

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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post #8

I wish there was a honest discussion, I am with them about parents not giving a shit and pushing away responsibility. The idea of supervision in education institutions is good as well. The kids in my family were well protected and supervised, they got into contact with hardcore porn at the age of 6 when other kids had access to smartphones and exposed them to it. I would like to see a honest discussion about the impa…

Why don't they do things that are within their control. Such as mandatory site filtering options. So the same place you pay your bill, you can also set which sites you want to be blocked by an "admin" password. Or are they afraid that people will add tracking.facebook.com to the block list? The chances of the kids stealing the admin password are about as likely as the kids stealing your age verification password that…

I too have wondered why there has not been huge pressure from parents to demand that cell phone hardware and the cell companies (and cable companies) - offer a portal they can log into and choose a 'bouncer / blocking system'

I have suggested publicly in the past that there should be a set of community blocker bots that are transparent about what they do and do not block and they are easy to fork and change for this sort of thing. And parents can choose which level of blocking their networks adhere to.

Of course they could just block all things sex for the moment -

But parents have not demanded this.

I imagine that way back in the day when if the porn via cable boxes was enabled by default, many parents would not have chosen to just give their kids one in the living room and one in their bedroom, many houses put one in every room of the house.

And yet they know that these phone devices can bring up porn and many worse things - and they just hand them over with an unlimited data plan like its nothing.

Many years ago, some parents could argue they did not know there was naughty things on the telephone like connected to the computers, but today's parents grew up with the porn on the internet and most partents just give them unlimited anytime access to all the things.

If the zealots riling up the churches and mom groups and such truly believe that porn is proven scientifically destruction to the children, why are the parents not in trouble for giving these devices to the kids? Like giving a car and alcohol and unlimited ammo to what 90% of kids?

I do believe part of the problem has been non-great options for blocking. (I have heard there are more options today than there were when I researched this a bit 10 years ago - back then disney circle (too expensive) and an open source dns poisoning thing I couldn't figure out how to setup)

But I think we also need to be honest that all parents know the porn is there (and worse, they know they have cameras on these devices and things like snap have been around so long everyone knows there are worse things that can be done with these devices) - and yet people have not demanded non-camera, all adult blocked devices, in fact they have been buying them up and paying premium prices to provide unlimited 24/7 access.

So the few people who are getting their ego stroked by the choir for saving the children, it would seem being in their bubbling is preventing them from seeing the reality of the people's choices, and providing better alternatives and education.

It seems every year each group needs a boogie man to raise money and get the likes and shares before campaign season. It's a shame they are willing to slay the rights of people just to get some temporary popularity - and likely knowing it's not going to fix the thing, but it is going to cost time and money for many - but they don't care about the masses.

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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Age verification is only one, of a growing list of fuckeries that does/can not work, at scale, without huge unknown fundamental changes to societal norms and practices. Thinking through to the end games of implimenting any of these new types of oversight leads to grim scenarios and outcomes for indivuals. Governments beurocracies are panting in antisipation of new powers and the many ways to exploit the nessesary (now) new contracts to be issued to new companies that will be "needed" to perform these (new) tasks that are outside of the governments expertise. Not just tax, not just fuckery, but privitisation of taxation and fuckery in.a way that gives a private entity all kinds of rights, and burdens people with new responsibilties. This pattern of seperating rights and responsibilities is the hallmark of the whole public private partnerships that results from the weaponisation of "saftey" The other thing that is standard is to ensure that there are no performance targets or reviews ever allowed to be included in any of these "saftey" initiatives, along with a complete elimination of marking the baseline conditions, so that future reviews, are impossible. The other two parallel things happening are moves to refuse cash/debit payments and push services including government, totaly online, for which there can be no legaly implimentable end game, that does not include providing free internet, devices, and training(in home), with all of the updating and maintenance, as there is no end run around the things that are legaly public accessable in a democracy, like documents.
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