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Thoughts on (Amazonian) leadership

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Re: Thoughts on (Amazonian) leadership

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> When EC2 launched, it wasn't really clear what people would do with it, but it was very cool and it was clear that it could be a big deal in some form, sooner or later.

Hindsight is 20/20, but how do you spot for “it was very cool” and “could be a big deal”? I often hear these used as justification to build something, but the projects often go nowhere..

Re: Thoughts on (Amazonian) leadership

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I have principles-fatigue after going through a number of companies that promise to abide by certain good sounding principles only to backtrack at the slightest pushback. I would actually trust a company more if it had no defined principles. Perhaps just honesty and transparency.

Principles are what you do when things are hard.

I know from painful experience that it's easier to forgive someone who has never promised you they have them than someone who has and then backpedals.

Even allowing for the fact that most such statements are aspirational more than descriptive, there are degrees where it transitions from not reaching your goals to straight up betrayal.

Re: Thoughts on (Amazonian) leadership

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Leadership Principles are less "principles" and more "operational guidelines". Aside from maybe "Strive to be Earth’s Best Employer" (which is a recent addition) they're not saying what Amazon wants to achieve; they're recommendations for effective ways to get things done.

"Strive to be Earth's Best Employer" coming from Amazon leadership is maybe best understood as a joke. Amazon is a meat grinder, even more so since the big tech layoffs started. (This kind of comment always elicits current Amazon engineers who disagree because they haven't personally experienced this. To them, I say: Stay at Amazon long enough and it /will/ happen to you. To those currently in the grinder: I hit the…

In Seattle there are some developers who call Amazon employees AmHoles. It's part their general arrogance, punctuated by things like their tendency to walk down the sidewalk four abreast and not notice that they are pushing people going the other way out of their way.

I worked a short contract there and I've seen the 'meatgrinder' bit. I joked (not really joking) with my fellow contractors that maybe the reason they walk four abreast is shell-shock, not arrogance. A couple days a week we went to lunch in a daze.

It's clear there's not enough quality control in their 'culture', by almost an order of magnitude. I've known two different people who quit after less than 2 weeks. One after being called on Sunday asking why he wasn't at work. On his second fucking week at the company.

Re: Thoughts on (Amazonian) leadership

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they are just recommendations, perhaps Amazon shouldn't require them in their recruitment and performance review processes :)

> perhaps Amazon shouldn't require them in their recruitment and performance review processes They are selecting for people who will "play the game" or, even better, will believe proactively. No one with a lick of sense would believe that Amazon strive to be the best employer in the world. But someone who is capable of doing, for e.g., a highly skilled coding job and who believes that Amazon actually strives to be th…

I "love" how some people think it's important to do a 7 hour interview pressure cooker with a prospective employee to see how they behave in a crisis. This is a straight up condemnation of their development culture and they are so blind they don't even see it. What they want is people who are content to live in a perpetual crisis instead of people who will put their foot down and work like hell to fix it.

The amount of blood I'll bleed for a team I've been gelling with for two years is a lot. The amount I'm going to bleed for some jackass I just met who wants me to lick his boots for a job is approximately zero.

I hated frat boys in college for the frat culture. I didn't expect to find it in dev culture as an adult. They're called Frat BOYS for a reason. Fuck hazing.

Re: Thoughts on (Amazonian) leadership

#146
Just look at the principle - "Disagree and Commit." It sounds correct when a group of peers have discussions and debate and in order to move forward, the owner takes this call. The disagreeing opinions are heard, and commitment actually moves the ship for everyone.

Now, when the CEO says "Disagree and Commit" to the entire company for (returning to office 5 days week or quit), the meaning of the principle is entirely different.

The principles are not used in practice as they meant to me. They are inherently ambiguous and in practice, are used as tools for performance management usually by dirty or opportunistic managers.

Re: Thoughts on (Amazonian) leadership

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The "leaders are owners" bit is a great idea from the shareholders' perspective, but a bit of a raw deal for the employees. That is, every owner wants the employees to act as if he has as much skin in the game as an owner does. But the employees simply do not. They might have some equity, but at Amazon it would only be the tiniest sliver. If you can convince such employees to act as if they are owners, then good for…

I mostly agree with you but not for big tech. You see, in startups this is a very fair criticism - you get super low salary and barely any stock in comparison with the founders, so working as "owners" often might not make sense. In big tech though, you get paid well, so it's normal to expect ownership from everyone.
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