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Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by 6510 »

elzbardico wrote: post #23
bayindirh wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trusting companies more than the government always feels strange. It's something I can't grasp.

Trusting any of them is a luxury afforded in a short period of history in rich countries. That's why the usual ethos in places like HN of treating any doubt about government actions as lowbrow paranoid conspiracy theory stuff, is so exasperating, for those of us who came from either the former soviet bloc or third world nations.

Someone who use to live in a dictatorship told me there is one advantage to living under a dictator: No one believes what is said in the news or the official version of anything.

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by klabb3 »

benterix wrote: post #134
merelysounds wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> opt-in by default Nitpicking: “opt in by default” doesn’t exist, it’s either “opt in”, or “opt out”; this is “opt out”. By definition an “opt out” setting is selected by default.

This is not nitpicking, this is a sane reaction to someone modifying the meaning of words on the fly.

To be fair it trips people up all the time. Even precise terminology isn't great if people misuse it. Maybe it would have been better to just use "enabled by default".

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by komali2 »

benterix wrote: post #129
raldi wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“These updates will apply only to new or resumed chats and coding sessions.” https://www.anthropic.com/news/updates-to-our-consumer-terms

What kind of guarantee do we have this is true? Meta downloaded copyrighted content and trained their models on it, OpenAI did the same. Uber developed Greyball to cheat the officials and break the law. Tesla deletes accident data and reports to the authorities they don't have it. So forgive me I have zero trust in whatever these companies say.

> What kind of guarantee do we have this is true?

None. And even if it's the nicest goody two shoes company in the history of capitalism, the NSA will have your data and then there'll be a breach and then Russian cyber criminals will have it too.

At this point I'm with you on the zero trust: we should be shouting loud and clear to everyone, if you put data into a web browser or app, that data will at some point be sold for profit without any say so from you.

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by diggan »

bigfishrunning wrote: post #131
diggan wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to me like some fundamental/core technologies/services just shouldn't be run by for-profit entities, and if come across one doing that, you need to carefully choose if you want to start being beholden to such entity. As the years go by, I'm finding myself being able to rely on those less and less, because every time I do, I eventually get disappointed by them working against their user base.

Except LLMs aren't a fundamental or core technology, they're an amusing party trick with some really enthusiastic marketers. We don't need them.

Personally, I'm able to write code I wasn't able to before, like functions heavy with math. For game development, this has been super helpful, when I know basically what inputs I have, and what output I need, but I'm not able to figure out how the actual function implementation should be. Add a bunch of unit tests, let the LLM figure out the math, and I can move on to more important features.

For me this been a pretty fundamental shift, where before I either had to figure out another way so I can move on, or had to spend weeks writing one function after learning the needed math, and now it can take me 10-30 minutes to nail perfectly.

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by chrisweekly »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #132

I saw the popup yesterday. Maybe I've just gotten really good at navigating dark patterns (or I have stock-home syndrome), but I remember the opt out choice being really clear and easy to select. I'm not arguing on the facts of the modal design, I don't remember either way, I just don't remember it being confusing. Unless I was in some A B test?

nit / FYI: it's "Stockholm" (as in, the city) not "stock-home".

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by DrillShopper »

JohnnyMarcone wrote: post #25
troad wrote: post #8

You can opt out, but the fact that it's opt-in by default and made to look like a simple T/C update prompt leaves a sour taste in my mouth. The five year retention period seems... excessive. I wonder if they've buried anything else objectionable in the new terms. It was the kick in the pants I needed to cancel my subscription.

I got a pop-up when I opened the app explaining the change and an option to opt out. That seems very transparent to me.

It should be opt-in, not opt-out.

The fact that there's no law mandating opt-in only for data retention consent (or any anti-consumer "feature") is maddening at times

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by oblio »

JohnnyMarcone wrote: post #25
troad wrote: post #8

You can opt out, but the fact that it's opt-in by default and made to look like a simple T/C update prompt leaves a sour taste in my mouth. The five year retention period seems... excessive. I wonder if they've buried anything else objectionable in the new terms. It was the kick in the pants I needed to cancel my subscription.

I got a pop-up when I opened the app explaining the change and an option to opt out. That seems very transparent to me.

Opt-in leads to very low adoption and is the moral choice.

Opt-out leads to very high adoption and is the immoral choice.

Guess which one companies adopt when not forced through legislation?

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by diggan »

nicce wrote: post #46
lewdwig wrote: post #19

TBH I’m surprised it’s taken them this long to change their mind on this, because I find it incredibly frustrating to know that current gen agentic coding systems are incapable of actually learning anything from their interactions with me - especially when they make the same stupid mistakes over and over.

Or get more value from the users with the same subscription price. I doubt they are giving any discounts.

It's actually pretty clever (albeit shitty/borderline evil), start off by saying you're different by the competitors because you care a lot about privacy and safety, and that's why you're charging higher prices than the rest. Then, once you have a solid user-base, slowly turn on the heat, step-by-step, so you end up with higher prices yet same benefits as the competitors.
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