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Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by Springtime »

Taek wrote: post #55
diego_sandoval wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same thing as with em dashes. Some of us have been using em dashes from before ChatGPT.

Genuine question, do you actually use the formal emdash in your writing? AIs are very consistent about using the proper emdash—a double long dash with no spaces around it, whereas humans almost always tend to use a slang version - a single dash with spaces around it. That's because most keyboards don't have an emdash key, and few people even know how to produce an actual emdash. That's what makes it such a good givea…

I've had an Autohotkey replacement for the proper em dash character for over 10 years, using shorthand characters which triggers the replacement. Whether spaces are around the dash is a difference in style (see: various publications' style guides), though I use the no spaces style.

Being able to insert self-interjections and such with the correct character would undoubtedly be more widespread if it were more accessible to insert for most.

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by klabb3 »

GoatInGrey wrote: post #23
abraham wrote: post #8

Not to boast but this will surpass many an intricate topic and you should strategically delve into it before it garners meticulous attention.

You're absolutely right!

Exactly! — You're getting at the heart of the issue.

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by viccis »

dragonwriter wrote: post #103
Taek wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genuine question, do you actually use the formal emdash in your writing? AIs are very consistent about using the proper emdash—a double long dash with no spaces around it, whereas humans almost always tend to use a slang version - a single dash with spaces around it. That's because most keyboards don't have an emdash key, and few people even know how to produce an actual emdash. That's what makes it such a good givea…

> Genuine question, do you actually use the formal emdash in your writing? "the formal emdash"? > AIs are very consistent about using the proper emdash—a double long dash with no spaces around it Setting an em-dash closed is separate from whether you using an em-dash (and an em-dash is exactly what it says, a dash that is the width of the em-width of the font; "double long" is fine, I guess, if you consider the en-da…

>> whereas humans almost always tend to use a slang version - a single dash with spaces around it.

>That's not an em-dash (blahblahblah...

What, exactly, did you thing "slang" in the phrase "slang version" meant?

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by 9rx »

jgalt212 wrote: post #12
milancurcic wrote: post #4

"Recent large-scale upticks in the use of words like “delve” and “intricate” in certain fields, especially education and academic writing, are attributed to the widespread introduction of LLMs with a chat function, like ChatGPT, that overuses those buzzwords." OK, but please don't do what pg did a year or so ago and dismiss anyone who wrote "delve" as AI writing. I've been using "delve" in speech for 15+ years. It's…

Fair enough, but if you know you're audience may be dismissive of your writing and its message if you use such words, it behooves one to steer clear of AI slop words. IIRC, such offenses in school writing are tagged PWC (poor word choice).

What audience is willing to pay for what you write, but also not recognize you and easily dismiss your work as “AI slop”?

Otherwise the audience is yourself. If you confuse your own work as being created by AI, uh…

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by kragen »

Taek wrote: post #55
diego_sandoval wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same thing as with em dashes. Some of us have been using em dashes from before ChatGPT.

Genuine question, do you actually use the formal emdash in your writing? AIs are very consistent about using the proper emdash—a double long dash with no spaces around it, whereas humans almost always tend to use a slang version - a single dash with spaces around it. That's because most keyboards don't have an emdash key, and few people even know how to produce an actual emdash. That's what makes it such a good givea…

I have a Compose key binding in https://github.com/kragen/xcompose which maps Compose Space Minus to "—" with two thin spaces on each side of it, because I prefer the spaces. But HN rewrites the thin spaces to regular spaces, so on HN I just use "—" without the spaces, the way ChatGPT does, which is Compose Minus Minus Minus, and is in the standard Compose key bindings (if you map your keyboard to have a Compose key at all).

Examples within the last week include https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44996702, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44989129, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44991769, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44989444. I typed all of those.

I never use space-hyphen-space instead of an em dash. I do sometimes use TeX's " --- ".

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by pinoy420 »

Taek wrote: post #55
diego_sandoval wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same thing as with em dashes. Some of us have been using em dashes from before ChatGPT.

Genuine question, do you actually use the formal emdash in your writing? AIs are very consistent about using the proper emdash—a double long dash with no spaces around it, whereas humans almost always tend to use a slang version - a single dash with spaces around it. That's because most keyboards don't have an emdash key, and few people even know how to produce an actual emdash. That's what makes it such a good givea…

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Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by viccis »

Fade_Dance wrote: post #39
diego_sandoval wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same thing as with em dashes. Some of us have been using em dashes from before ChatGPT.

Unfortunately the em dash has already been relegated to the dungeon of AI suspicion for the next 5-10 years.

Good. It's a crutch for poorly composed sentences or for prose intending to imitate the affect of poorly composed sentences. There's not a single sentence under the sun that needs an emdash. Commas and parentheses can do it all, and an excess of either is a sign of poorly edited prose.

I don't buy the pro-clanker pro-em dash movement that has come out of nowhere in the past several years.

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by losvedir »

Taek wrote: post #55
diego_sandoval wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same thing as with em dashes. Some of us have been using em dashes from before ChatGPT.

Genuine question, do you actually use the formal emdash in your writing? AIs are very consistent about using the proper emdash—a double long dash with no spaces around it, whereas humans almost always tend to use a slang version - a single dash with spaces around it. That's because most keyboards don't have an emdash key, and few people even know how to produce an actual emdash. That's what makes it such a good givea…

It's just Option + dash. Using option as a modifier is second nature if you ever write other than English and need, eg, é or ñ or something.

Re: Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech

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Post by viccis »

guelo wrote: post #73
diego_sandoval wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same thing as with em dashes. Some of us have been using em dashes from before ChatGPT.

I just went through your HN comment history going back to 2021 and didn't find a single —

Haha yep. I never saw a single person use these in internet comments pre-2023. Plenty of hyphens to simulate it - like this - but not actual em dashes. No matter how many people swear up and down that they're so important.
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