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Undisclosed financial conflicts of interest in DSM-5 (2024)

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Re: Undisclosed financial conflicts of interest in DSM-5 (2024)

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

interstice wrote: post #130
suggestion wrote: post #124

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Why do you presume I'm neurotypical and undiagnosed with any psychiatric disorder? I'm formally diagnosed with severe OCD, depression, and ADHD. I was on SSRI, then SNRI and additionally methylphenidate for years. Eventually I got tired for feeling like a shell of a human being, and weaned off of the SNRI. It took a lot of effort to induce neuroplasticity and ease my OCD and depression, but I did it. Eventually, I we…

If I knew my house would burn down if I forgot where my keys where it wouldn't do much more than turn me into a paranoid barely functional mess. Higher stakes do not automatically help. Although ironically part of being ADHD is functioning well in high stakes situations, it's not healthy to create high stakes situations in order to function (although some people do this).

This is one of the most personally compelling reasons why I agree with my ADHD diagnosis - I've known for a long time that I work better in a state of chaos than not. I actually often enjoy it. And others have commented on that about me as well.

Edit: by chaos I mean things breaking down, going wrong, catching fire, etc. I accomplish things easily once I've taken so long to get to them, that they're seriously urgent.

Re: Undisclosed financial conflicts of interest in DSM-5 (2024)

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

suggestion wrote: post #138
KPGv2 wrote: post #133

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> Why do you presume I'm neurotypical and undiagnosed with any psychiatric disorder? Because you talk like one, with no apparent empathy for the neurodiverse, except perhaps people with profound issues. "We shouldn't treat any problems except the catastrophically bad." Gross. > I bet if you knew your house would burn down if you didn't do "normal" things you would have done them no problem. This is not arguing in fav…

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This sounds to me like getting into "You say you're depressed? Come on, snap out of it!" territory. I guess I consider psychological disorders to be a disorder when you aren't able to "snap out of it" or "just do things that are unpleasant".

Like yes, I do things that are unpleasant - ADHD doesn't mean I live a life of ease, avoiding unpleasantness all day long.

Re: Undisclosed financial conflicts of interest in DSM-5 (2024)

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Post by jasonfarnon »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #140
KPGv2 wrote: post #122

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> only the catastrophic is worth addressing This is a very privileged view of the mind. I have ADHD (and autism). But I also have a quite high IQ, if one cares about such things. I'm pretty successful, professionally. But it took until around 40yo to get the ADHD diagnosis and get a prescription for medication that has been life-altering. Was I suffering from catastrophic failures? Absolutely not: married, have kids,…

Hold on.. did you just say there is a drug I can take that will making talking to people less boring and doing housework fun?

you clearly have not experienced any range of uppers

Re: Undisclosed financial conflicts of interest in DSM-5 (2024)

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Post by moi2388 »

The DSM is a bunch of nonsense. As long as they don’t provide physical mechanisms for disorders, it’s worthless. It clusters symptoms without knowing the underlying causes.

It’s like going to the doctor with a runny nose, who the claims it’s influenza, due to the runny nose, without testing for Covid.

Re: Undisclosed financial conflicts of interest in DSM-5 (2024)

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Post by jasonfarnon »

dalemhurley wrote: post #80

Next there will be a paper on the accountants that set accounting standards have a financial interest in accounting.

" The FASB was conceived as a full-time body to insure that Board member deliberations encourage broad participation, objectively consider all stakeholder views, and are not influenced or directed by political/private interests "

Re: Undisclosed financial conflicts of interest in DSM-5 (2024)

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Post by rini17 »

suggestion wrote: post #137
bgilroy26 wrote: post #131

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>I bet if you knew your house would burn down if you didn't do "normal" things you would have done them no problem Getting yourself to do things in a boring situation that you might only do in an exciting situation is a big challenge in ADHD management If everything was a "house on fire" level emergency, many ADHDers would get more done but would eventually collapse from running around on adrenaline for days These pr…

The point is it's obviously a problem of perspective. Things are not important because they aren't considered important. If the stakes are higher they are elevated in importance and more demanding of attention. To pretend that humans are hedonic beasts incapable of cognitive adaption is ridiculous. We do not operate purely on impulse save for pharmaceutical intervention. We can force ourselves to give things more or…

You are forgetting what people did before psych meds were available. Almost everyone treated themselves with alcohol and tobacco. Coffee is up there, too. There is cognitive adaptation, not denying it, but only up to a point.

Re: Undisclosed financial conflicts of interest in DSM-5 (2024)

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Post by lioeters »

mothballed wrote: post #116
noosphr wrote: post #79

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Remember that in the US slaves wanting freedom was a mental disorder that made it past peer review: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drapetomania

Slaves wanting freedom is a mental disorder if it is maladaptive, debilitating, and infeasible in their circumstance, no? Being crazy doesn't mean you're wrong, it could mean you are right in a world where you must be wrong to survive.

“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.”

Re: Undisclosed financial conflicts of interest in DSM-5 (2024)

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

ben_sisko wrote: post #127
aleph_minus_one wrote: post #99

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> Generally a disorder is considered something that significantly impacts someone's life, getting in the way of things like working, social life, life enjoyment. With the same argument, we could arguue that working and social life are getting in the way how I am, thus working and social life should be considered disorders.

Sounds like you need to read better books Bromaster General!

> Sounds like you need to read better books Bromaster General!

I don't get this reference (that is likely rooted in US popular culture).

Re: Undisclosed financial conflicts of interest in DSM-5 (2024)

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Post by [deleted] »

plandis wrote: post #85
noosphr wrote: post #79

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Remember that in the US slaves wanting freedom was a mental disorder that made it past peer review: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drapetomania

What is your point? Surely you’re not trying to draw some conclusion between an entire countries modern day medical field and a theory a person proposed in the 1800s, right?

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Re: Undisclosed financial conflicts of interest in DSM-5 (2024)

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Post by w3ll_w3ll_w3ll »

moi2388 wrote: post #144

The DSM is a bunch of nonsense. As long as they don’t provide physical mechanisms for disorders, it’s worthless. It clusters symptoms without knowing the underlying causes. It’s like going to the doctor with a runny nose, who the claims it’s influenza, due to the runny nose, without testing for Covid.

Ahahah I know what you did here.
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