I'm happy to answer questions around the new product.
Did you consider QMK / VIA or other open source variants as keyboard firmware?
Framework Laptop 16
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Re: Framework Laptop 16
#142I'm glad the AMD GPU option still exists, I don't have great experience with NVIDIA on Linux. The rest of the upgrades, like the new top cover and keyboard, are very welcome
It'd be nice if I could upgrade my old Framework into this spec. Infinitely upgradeable is nice on a per product line basis. But new product lines still lead to obsolescence and in this case regret.
You can upgrade your old Framework 16 to this. Framework 13 wouldn't work anyway because it's a different chassis.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#143The idea of Framework laptops sounds great! But I’m wondering: has anyone done an economic analysis comparing buying a Framework laptop a few years ago and gradually upgrading it, versus buying a similar popular brand laptop and just upgrading by getting a new model? I’m not trolling, I’m genuinely considering Framework as my next laptop.
I was really close to getting a Framework earlier this year, but ultimately landed on a Thinkpad T14 Gen 5 because at the time, the price gap was significant (the Thinkpad was $250 cheaper) and the T14 still had a better CPU. Not to mention the T14 has expandable RAM, replaceable battery, screen, and keyboard, and is acceptably thin and light.
In the end, I think the Framework is worth it if you have a desire to support the company and the mission, but I think most people should go refurbished if they only care about value.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#144The idea of Framework laptops sounds great! But I’m wondering: has anyone done an economic analysis comparing buying a Framework laptop a few years ago and gradually upgrading it, versus buying a similar popular brand laptop and just upgrading by getting a new model? I’m not trolling, I’m genuinely considering Framework as my next laptop.
The problem your overlooking is not just the upgrade vs new cost, but also the parts issue. Buying a brand new Framework tend to be more expensive then a ~ Chinese Laptop. *New vs Upgrade* In general, you can sell a second hand laptop at around 50% of the original price, about 2 years down the line (assuming you did not damage it). So a new upgrade will be 50% cheaper. For that you tend to get (depending on the gener…
Framework is also for linux users who want some assurance everything will work.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
You knew the question was coming. ThinkPad style trackpoint keyboard!
We actually go into this in the video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RzUBqtgODM
Specifically 11:04: https://youtu.be/0RzUBqtgODM?t=664
> Something that we hear over and over again across our entire product lineup is that people want pointing sticks. You might know it as trackpoint from other brands. The little nubs that you can use as a mouse. Obviously, if you're a ThinkPad user, former ThinkPad user, that might be something that you're very familiar and comfortable with. And so, it is something that actually on all of our products several times over the last 5 years, we have tried to prototype and make work. The big challenge on this actually is just that there's very, very little space here. That the Zstack here is incredibly thin.
> And for a keyboard, it works because the keys are compliant. If there's force that's put on the lid, like let's say you're got your laptop in a backpack with a book or something, it's just being pressed on like that, the screen is going to touch the keys and the keys are going to give way because they're just on these uh on these scissor mechanisms and the screen will be okay and you may get a little smudge you have to wipe off. You've got like finger grease on there.
> A pointing stick though is not compliant. Not compliant in that way. So, you've got this like sharp point basically sticking out from the keyboard. And if there's pressure placed on the lid, that's going to go right onto that point on the tracking stick and end up damaging screen or have a high likelihood of damaging the screen.
> And so, we've just kept over and over, we've kept trying this and seeing if we could get a low enough profile pointing stick solution to make that work, not risk the screen at all. And so far, that doesn't exist. That is something that we keep going into the supply base to try to find.
> Hopefully we that is something we find in the future because of course with this input module system on framework laptop 16, it would end up being relatively straightforward for us to just make an input module a keyboard that you can swap in that's got that pointing stick unlike uh you know even our other laptops where you'd have to have an entirely new input cover to get that kind of functionality.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#146Re: Framework Laptop 16
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm very impressed you managed to get nvidia to give you access to the 5070! I have one queetion though, is the 5070 limited to 100W because of the docking connector, or for cooling reasons?
Primarily for thermal reasons.
That's good to hear, I guess it's possible a thicker module could be made in the future with more cooling potential?
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
It really depends on your usage environment, but one good thing is that its probably easier to clean the fans on a Framework Laptop than on most other laptops!
Still hoping for a fanless model one day.
They do sell risc development boards- i hope that either that becomes mature or a more efficient arm soc becomes an option.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#149Kinda wish you guys didn't have an Nvidia product at all. It's only really useful for Windows users, but openly hostile and offensive to Linux desktop users.
I'm a Linux desktop user and have had nothing but success with my Nvidia cards. Don't speak for everyone.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#150I'm happy to answer questions around the new product.
Any hope for a 75 keyboard? With home/end/pageup/pagedown on the side?
Wouldn't it be possible to have a side add-on similar to the numeric keypad but the width of the spacer or LED matrix to accomplish this? Maybe a revamped keypad that has home, end, page up, page down, and then a bunch of assignable macro keys would work well.