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Analysis of the GFW's Unconditional Port 443 Block on August 20, 2025

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Re: Analysis of the GFW's Unconditional Port 443 Block on August 20, 2025

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The most depressing is that what happens in China, will eventually happen in the west too. I'm sure certain US, UK, and EU bureaucrats are already crafting campaigns about how this ability will 'save the children' and that it should be implemented immediately (politicians and certain other selected people will be exempt of course).

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Re: Analysis of the GFW's Unconditional Port 443 Block on August 20, 2025

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There's nothing inevitable about this. Civil society needs to organize, coordinate, and spend money on PR about this. Right now liberal people mostly sit back and wait for things to get better, it's not enough. (Also going and walking up and down is not really effective.)

> Right now liberal people mostly sit back and wait for things to get better First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak for me.

Well slightly updated version today would be: Immigrants, Anti-Zionists, Socialists, Homeless, Welfare recipients, ...

Re: Analysis of the GFW's Unconditional Port 443 Block on August 20, 2025

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One missile for one satellite? This gets expensive really fast.

They follow well defined orbits and propellant limited. You could easily cover their trajectory with some shrapnel and attack it one lane at a time.

For your shrapnel to hit the satellite, it needs to be at the same height and inclination. Otherwise, your shrapnel will likely miss the targets.

Starlink satellites are pretty low and experience a lot of drag, with square-cube law working against you. Your shrapnel's orbit will likely decay pretty rapidly.

Re: Analysis of the GFW's Unconditional Port 443 Block on August 20, 2025

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Their point is if you’re served within China (aka hosted off a chinese IP, or accessing anything from a Chinese IP) it doesn’t matter if the other company interacts or complies with China’s rules - the other half of the transaction will be blocked. So using DNS hosted outside won’t matter, because the destination Chinese IP will get blocked. Or if using outside hosting, it won’t matter, because anyone in China trying…

Technology backed by force is not impressively effective as a technology.

So nuclear weapons were and are totally boring and unimpressive?

Re: Analysis of the GFW's Unconditional Port 443 Block on August 20, 2025

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Terrible, this is Internet curfew. It's not uncommon to imagine they'd shutdown Internet across border during any war (like against Taiwan).

That's what's so great about LoRA. Decentralized txt msgs, ultra cheap radios people run at home or wherever. $10-35USD ON AMAZON. Least txts get through.

At a whole 3kbps and line of sight!

Re: Analysis of the GFW's Unconditional Port 443 Block on August 20, 2025

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Technology backed by force is not impressively effective as a technology.

Not only that, it seems to be entirely unimpressive: The premise is that they would be able to allow everything except for what they want to censor, which isn't what they're doing. If you allow connections to random websites outside of your jurisdiction then you're de facto allowing everything, because people can proxy arbitrary traffic that way. If you don't, you're effectively disconnecting your country from the gl…

You’re just ignorant of what it does. The GFW autodetects and blocks a truly impressive number of tunnel encapsulation schemes, VPN’s, etc. and blocks a wide variety of proxy attempts.

It really isn’t dumb at all, and is quite difficult to get past.

It also auto detects ‘problematic’ content in near realtime for a huge swath of things. It does deep packet and content inspection, including of a bunch of encrypted traffic that it really shouldn’t be able to.

At massive (national) level scale.

Don’t get me wrong. It’s evil. But it’s an impressive bit of evil kit.

Re: Analysis of the GFW's Unconditional Port 443 Block on August 20, 2025

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They follow well defined orbits and propellant limited. You could easily cover their trajectory with some shrapnel and attack it one lane at a time.

Not feasible. That would entail putting shrapnel into orbit (unlike extant anti-sat weapons which are short-range suborbital), which would mean a full orbital launch for every satellite target orbit. There's hundreds[0] of Starlink orbital groups already, so that'd require hundreds of independent orbital launches in a short timescale—far beyond China's launch capabilities today. [0] https://planet4589.org/space/con/s…

If you make a dense-ish cloud that cuts across the Starlink orbits you'd eventually intersect them all if you could make the artificial debris field last It wouldn't require that many different counter orbiting fields to cover most of the orbits.

Re: Analysis of the GFW's Unconditional Port 443 Block on August 20, 2025

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In English, there is no continent named "America." It's unambiguously used to refer to the United States.

How is the continent called then?

Continents are a social construct. In North American English, we typically divide the Americas into a North and South America. The collective noun for North and South America is the Americas. (Though this remains ambiguous in respect of the Caribbean and Pacific Islands.)

Getting pedantic about calling America America is sort of like insisting on referring to China as Zhonghua. Like, sure. Whatever. But you’re clearly insisting on substituting a substantial discussion with a semantic one.

Re: Analysis of the GFW's Unconditional Port 443 Block on August 20, 2025

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> Terrible, this is Internet curfew. If you think this is bad... You can't even have a blog in China without authorization. It doesn't matter if you pay "AWS" for a machine. It won't open port 80 or 443 until you get an ICP recordal. Which you can only do if you are in China, and get the approval. It should also be displayed in the site, like a license plate. The reason "AWS" is in quotes is because it isn't AWS, the…

> You can only point to IPs in China from DNS servers in China - if you try to use, say, Route53 in the US and add an A record there, you'll get a nasty email (fail to comply, and your ports get blocked again, possibly for good). Wait what? So I can DoS any Web site in China by creating a rogue DNS record that points to its IP address, even under a completely unrelated domain? How would they even find those records?

I wonder if this is actually tied to Chinese domains and Chinese run registrars? That way it would be easy to flag the usage of foreign nameservers and there's no DoS risk.

Re: Analysis of the GFW's Unconditional Port 443 Block on August 20, 2025

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How is the continent called then?

Continents are a social construct. In North American English, we typically divide the Americas into a North and South America. The collective noun for North and South America is the Americas. (Though this remains ambiguous in respect of the Caribbean and Pacific Islands.) Getting pedantic about calling America America is sort of like insisting on referring to China as Zhonghua. Like, sure. Whatever. But you’re clearl…

I thought continents are a geographical term divided by tectonic plates and such. Still seams to be weird to single out a single country to assign the name of a continent.
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