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Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by qwertylicious »

akaosns wrote: post #125
jfengel wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't want to trust the priests, fine. Go do the work yourself. Or take no position at all. Actively rejecting the work of scientists based solely on ideology, that is religion, in the worst sense of the word. They're not heretics. They're just liars.

You could replace the word “scientist” with “priest” in your post and it would be no different. Rejecting or accepting based on ideology is wrong. And given we lack the technical ability to fully understand global warming, there is no objective truth here.

> And given we lack the technical ability to fully understand global warming

I'm sorry, what?

We have total understanding of global warming: 1) CO2 traps heat, we know that from basic lab experiments, and 2) we're pumping massive amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere, which we know from countless data points, both historical and contemporary.

When it comes to the basic fact of global warming, that's all you need to know.

Everything after that is forecasting impacts and associated trend lines.

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by defrost »

WillAdams wrote: post #119
defrost wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Closer reading should tell you that no one, no data scientist at least, is rewriting raw historical data - the temperatures recorded in ships logs by various ships are preserved unaltered. What is discussed there is part of all data interpretation, the transfer functions between raw measures of and the inferred values of .

Thank you for that, I have edited my (hasty/poorly-worded) comment.

No drama, as first worded it irked my experience in multichannel geophysical processing; every data source has potential biases, tweaks, scaling, shifts and normalizing applied to get them to best fit and reveal a larger picture.

eg: https://www.ga.gov.au/bigobj/GA13928.pdf as an example of stitching 40 years of survey data collected with a range of different instruments and procedures.

In the climate domain the same care is taken to preserve raw data from historic methods, the challenge is syncing data streams that have covariant features (such as matching years against tree patterns from differing logs from a variety of species), in this case logs from a variety of ways of sampling sea water temperature.

Glad you took my comment well, no offense was intended :)

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

account42 wrote: post #131
paulsutter wrote: post #56

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The old reports were somehow protecting us? Carbon emissions can only be reduced by engineering and manufacturing advances

No you see, carbon emissions can also be reduced by moving production to china and not looking too hard how they do it. Yay for climate champion Europe!

World in Data has carbon stats including imports and exports.

It makes a difference but basically doesn't change the big picture.

https://ourworldindata.org/consumption-based-co2

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by os2warpman »

xtracto wrote: post #129
Hikikomori wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Can%27t_Happen_Here

>The novel describes the rise of Berzelius "Donald" Windrip, a demagogue who is elected President of the United States, after fomenting fear and promising drastic economic and social reforms while promoting a return to patriotism and "traditional" values. After his election, Windrip takes complete control of the government via self-coup and imposes totalitarian rule with the help of a ruthless paramilitary force [ICE…

> The novel's plot centers on journalist Doremus Jessup's opposition to the new regime

Here in the real world, the number of professional journalists who would stick their necks out and risk losing access or a paycheck to "fight the powahhh" is exactly and precisely zero.

It is, however, a supremely self-righteous profession full of people who THINK they would...

As far as a liberal rebellion goes, they're too busy dividing themselves over foreign matters they have absolutely no chance of changing or even slightly influencing to even the tiniest degree to see that they are letting themselves be fucked. Russia and Iran spending a tiny amount of money and other peoples' lives was the best investment they ever made and the only smart one of the last decade.

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by e40 »

Barrin92 wrote: post #98
softwaredoug wrote: post #63

I largely ignore this and just look around the world at the remarkable, sudden success of green energy and electric vehicles. We may solve the root of the problem while Republicans still call it a hoax. (It’s mostly a sad statement now about US ceding a huge growth area for its industrial base here.)

People will drive Chinese electric cars, while the US pulls up an Iron Curtain, people drive 30 year old diesel trucks and closes the universities down. What's next, a down to the countryside movement, everyone has to do five years of hard farm labor in Iowa?

Probably the only way crops will be picked,after the wall goes up

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by exasperaited »

gschizas wrote: post #46
tornikeo wrote: post #31

I'm thankful for the US administration to truly give other countries a chance to come forward and something good, and take the center stage. But, as good as that opportunity is, I'm afraid the 3 years this administration has left wouldn't be enough to fully disassemble the US advantage. :)

It seems you might be too optimistic here. I doubt Trumpism will end with Trump.

A fair assessment but then it didn't start with Trump either, really. He just exploited a renewable resource the most efficiently so far.

Charles Coughlin and before him the Know Nothings did the same. Anti-intellectual illiberalism is a fundamental strain of US political belief.

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by aaron695 »

jacquesm wrote: post #22

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." Feynman -- In this case, nature will not just not be fooled, it will extract retribution, unfortunately also on those that weren't fooled in the first place.

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Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by nwallin »

account42 wrote: post #131
paulsutter wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The old reports were somehow protecting us? Carbon emissions can only be reduced by engineering and manufacturing advances

No you see, carbon emissions can also be reduced by moving production to china and not looking too hard how they do it. Yay for climate champion Europe!

In 2020, China had 253GW of total solar capacity. In 2024, China installed 277GW of additional solar capacity. In June, they were up to 1,100GW of total solar capacity. In 2023, 60% of the global solar installation happened in China.

China is so far ahead of the world in green energy it's ridiculous. We can't pretend that it's still 1995 and China still gets most of its energy from coal anymore.

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by hollerith »

nwallin wrote: post #149
account42 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No you see, carbon emissions can also be reduced by moving production to china and not looking too hard how they do it. Yay for climate champion Europe!

In 2020, China had 253GW of total solar capacity. In 2024, China installed 277GW of additional solar capacity. In June, they were up to 1,100GW of total solar capacity. In 2023, 60% of the global solar installation happened in China. China is so far ahead of the world in green energy it's ridiculous. We can't pretend that it's still 1995 and China still gets most of its energy from coal anymore.

Top four coal consumers as of 2023 (last year for which this data set is available):

China 91.9 exajoules

India 22 exajoules

United States 8.2 exajoules

Japan 4.54 exajoules

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/coal-cons...

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