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Project Hyperion: Interstellar ship design competition

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Re: Project Hyperion: Interstellar ship design competition

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Post by AngryData »

hermitcrab wrote: post #34
trhway wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Give the people some Minecraft on steroids and they wouldn't notice how half-century flew by. Or those people of the past who would for generations not leave their village/county doing the same thing generation after generation.

I think the problems would come in the 2nd generation, who didn't choose to go on the mission.

Provided the first generation volunteered, I expect the second generation would still be indoctrinate enough to the idea and mission to be fine, but the third generation would definitely be stirring some shit up.

Re: Project Hyperion: Interstellar ship design competition

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Post by random_is_rando »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #45
poisonborz wrote: post #13

I doubt the human psyche is capable of such a voyage while being awake the whole time. Even with all the toys and biomes, life will get boring and pointless fast, producing unfulfilled needs, disorder, conflict and revolt. People can't be ants in a colony working for such a narrowly defined goal through a lifetime, especially not multi-generationally. Our existence is based on constant questioning and revolutions. A…

Particles are indistinguishable, this means that the specific particles that make up a physical object (like a human) are not important, you could replace all of them with different particles, ship of Theseus style, and it would be the same object. What makes an object unique then is the specific configuration of the particles that make up that object. This configuration is a form of information. Fortunately, we alre…

This is the most likely way we'd do it, provided we get over our cultural/political/religious limitations, which might pose a real obstacle.

The most likely way to move in the Universe is through something along the lines of von Neumann probes, which can be small machines sent at relativistic speeds across the whole galaxy, setting up these "spawn" points. Even at 10% speed of light it would take 1 million years to get such probes in strategic points to cover most of our galaxy.

Re: Project Hyperion: Interstellar ship design competition

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Post by AngryData »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #3

> Habitability for 1,000 ± 500 people over centuries Is this enough for a healthy breeding population?

I mean you could make sure to limit couplings to 3rd cousins and beyond which eliminates like 99.5% of genetic problems for many generations,having an even more diverse starting group also will help, and if you really wanted to make sure you could also send along some eggs and sperm to throw in the gene pool at times.

Re: Project Hyperion: Interstellar ship design competition

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Post by AngryData »

svachalek wrote: post #106
jmyeet wrote: post #69

An interstellar ship is indistinguishable from a generational colony ship because there's no way to realistically travel between stars in timelines that don't span generations unless we extend human lifetimes to centuries or longer. That's possible but doesn't change the trael times. It just means you live to the destination rather than your descedants do. And let's aside the serious ethical issue of you choosing to…

It's interesting how frequently the issue of unborn children's consent is brought up. This consent is impossible, it's never existed and never will exist, and the only alternative seems to be nihilism.

Yeah, its not like kids today are consenting towards living on this earth now in this age. As long as the ship isn't just some piece of trash death trap and has decent living standards I don't see the problem.

Re: Project Hyperion: Interstellar ship design competition

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Post by forgingahead »

codeulike wrote: post #2

Link to Canva presentation for the winning entry https://www.canva.com/design/DAGmr3ubC8E/LHHAeeAIGGQe_TkZVs-...

Perhaps I'm being mean (haven't read the full presentation) - but the winning team is made up of 2 actresses/artists, 1 social innovator, 1 designer, and 1 astrophysicist?

Re: Project Hyperion: Interstellar ship design competition

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Post by pomian »

This project has invoked a lot of very interesting dialogue and discussion - Very fun fit for HN. Someone mentioned Kim Stanley Robinson's book: Aurora. (There is an audiobook version.) I recommend it also... It is a bit long winded but presents a lot of detail and thinking on many of the ideas discussed in this comment section. A very fun read. A grand adventure similar to old school science fiction books. One of the brilliant concluding quotes, went something like; The earth is an interstellar spaceship too.

Re: Project Hyperion: Interstellar ship design competition

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Post by riffraff »

forgingahead wrote: post #145
codeulike wrote: post #2

Link to Canva presentation for the winning entry https://www.canva.com/design/DAGmr3ubC8E/LHHAeeAIGGQe_TkZVs-...

Perhaps I'm being mean (haven't read the full presentation) - but the winning team is made up of 2 actresses/artists, 1 social innovator, 1 designer, and 1 astrophysicist?

One of the artist is also an environmental engineer, the other is also a psychologist, the designer is an architect.

But yes, it's a work of design more than a blueprint.

Re: Project Hyperion: Interstellar ship design competition

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Post by SJC_Hacker »

ttemPumpinRary wrote: post #20
poisonborz wrote: post #13

I doubt the human psyche is capable of such a voyage while being awake the whole time. Even with all the toys and biomes, life will get boring and pointless fast, producing unfulfilled needs, disorder, conflict and revolt. People can't be ants in a colony working for such a narrowly defined goal through a lifetime, especially not multi-generationally. Our existence is based on constant questioning and revolutions. A…

Menonites in space. Autistic astronauts only.

In the Expanse they used Mormons, at least until the discovery of how to traverse the Ring Gate

Re: Project Hyperion: Interstellar ship design competition

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Post by fc417fc802 »

Apocryphon wrote: post #136
svachalek wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And anti-gravity, as seen in the many machines and craft that easily hover around.

Most popular sci-fi in visual media up until recent examples like The Expanse and Cowboy Bebop (though only because the remake revived interest in the original) are soft sci-fi when it comes to walking around in spaceships.

This got me thinking. There are fairly hard takes on most fictional technology but I don't know that I've ever come across one for artificial gravity. At least no examples immediately come to mind.

I guess that's just too far out in the fictional physics system weeds for even the more dedicated of authors.

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