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Re: I'm Archiving Picocrypt

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Post by sky2224 »

hkt wrote: post #8
sky2224 wrote: post #7

I think this is just a bit doomerish honestly. Yes, the AI hype is real, and yes there's a desire to cut costs by using AI within companies. However, I think the maintainer (Evan Su) has a bit of a narrow view on this matter. Evan is still a student in university. This doesn't mean his perspective or opinion should be disregarded, it's more just I think he's declaring quite a career defining absolute for himself befo…

To be fair, the job market is terrible. Not nearly as attributable to AI as people think, I suspect - I'd pin it on interest rates. Still, I'd consider other things if I had anywhere to go and he's not made a bad choice.

If he's deciding to go elsewhere due to the current market, I think that's fair. However, probably his biggest talking point in the whole post is about how no one wants to craft artisan code anymore and how that's due to AI taking over and taking jobs. That's where I'm saying that the jump in conclusion is quite drastic given the absence of hard evidence of AI taking jobs being true (yet).

Re: I'm Archiving Picocrypt

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Post by immibis »

ranger_danger wrote: post #140
immibis wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they don't think about it deeply - that's why reminders are necessary. They think they're only donating to people with similar attitudes to themselves. xGPL licenses (SSPL included) are the license family most similar to that... ... but MIT is what corporations told them they want. There has been a low-level but persistent campaign against xGPL in the past several years and the complaints always trace back to…

> No individual free software developer has a problem with xGPL I do... I consider it the opposite of freedom. I think it places severe restrictions on your project that make it hard/impossible for some people (like companies) to use, especially if your project contains lots of code from other people that make it really hard/impossible to try to re-license if one day you decide you like/need money (assuming you have…

Which part of the GPL do you consider to be a "severe restriction" that "makes your project impossible to use"?

I agree that you can't legally take a bunch of GPL code and relicense it as proprietary. That's the point.

Freedom to/from is a false dichotomy; most rights can be expressed equivalently in either "to" or "from" form.

Re: I'm Archiving Picocrypt

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Post by StopVibeCoding »

dingnuts wrote: post #112
stoneyhrm1 wrote: post #90

I understand the author's sentiment but industries don't exist solely because somebody wants them to. I mean, sure, hobbies can exist, but you won't be paid well (or even at all) to work with them. Software engineering pays because companies want people to develop software. It pays so well because it's hard, but the coding portion is become easier. Vibe coding and AI is here to stay, the author can choose to ignore i…

it's not LLMs vs typing for loops by hand. It's LLMs vs snippets and traditional cheap, pattern based code generation, find and replace, and traditional refactoring tools those are still faster and cheaper and more predictable than an LLM in many cases

too few developers understand this

Re: I'm Archiving Picocrypt

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Post by immibis »

ranger_danger wrote: post #132
fouronnes3 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When are we getting a GPLv4 that's AGPL + no LLM training? This is overdue.

Be the change you wish to see. Or just literally call your program's license "AGPL + no LLM training" and that may suffice.

the AGPL says that you can ignore any restrictions the author tried to impose on you, that's why you frame it as LLM training is already violating the AGPL by making a derivative work.

Re: I'm Archiving Picocrypt

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Post by ramses0 »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #123
ramses0 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Adversarial Internet" => if it touches the internet it's no longer yours. See a previous comment chain: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44616163

> if it touches the internet it's no longer yours *Unless you're a member of the capital class, in terms of being a corporation or a wealthy individual, who can then make our two-tiered justice system work for you. As Disney is seemingly looking to do. Then it will absolutely work for you. This is why I and people like me so often say "there is no war but the class war." Arguing about copyright misses the entire poin…

"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread." Anatole France

Re: I'm Archiving Picocrypt

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Post by ranger_danger »

zetanor wrote: post #122
rollcat wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I was able to tell, every single coding LLM out there still violates the terms of the MIT license, because the license requires attribution - and LLMs rarely (if ever?) provide any.

I've not used AI to program and have very little interest in using AI to program, but I fail to see how laundering code through massive probabilistic lossy compression (silicon) should be treated any differently than laundering code through massive probabilistic lossy compression (biological). Should humans have to keep track of which software codebases they learn each pattern from, too?

My understanding is this was part of the reasoning for a certain US court to rule that AI art is (at least in a default sense) fair use. You're right, both humans and AI "create" things by using things we have seen before... some say art itself can only ever be the sum of our past influences.

Re: I'm Archiving Picocrypt

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Post by insane_dreamer »

hakavlad wrote: post #110
Tepix wrote: post #99

The (current) last commend by hakavlad (same as hakavlad on HN perhaps?): @HACKERALERT Your decision may be somewhat irresponsible towards those who donated to the audit. That audit was one year ago. The money didn't go towards the author. The source continues to be available. The author doesn't own you zilch.

>The money didn't go towards the author. Perhaps many would have refused to donate if they knew that the project would be archived in a year. Collecting for audit and then archiving the project is, in a way, a violation of expectations.

Did the author do the audit? Is the audit available? If so, then they did what people donated for. End of story.

Re: I'm Archiving Picocrypt

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Post by insane_dreamer »

epolanski wrote: post #25
raincole wrote: post #15

I don't get it. (I'm not trying to throw shades at the author. I know they have no obligation to maintain an open source project. I'm simply having a hard time gasping what's happening.)

Seems like the author is abandoning software because in his opinion due to AI explosion employers don't care anymore about code quality and only quality. I don't get it either, because that has always been the case, thus most of his post is borderline non sense. Imo, what happened is that he took the opportunity of him entering academia to vent some stuff and quit maintaining his project.

It hasn't always been the case to the degree that it now is, or with the "tools" to enable it.

Re: I'm Archiving Picocrypt

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Post by phyzome »

blenderob wrote: post #101

I'm starting to feel kinda old and out of the loop. Could someone please explain the conversational style of this post? It begins with a prompt directed at Gemini, followed by what appears to be an AI-generated response. Are these actual AI responses or is the developer writing their parting message in a whimsical way? I'm genuinely confused. Help much appreciated!

It's something of a satire, although presumably actually comes from a "conversation" with Gemini (because who would bother writing a bot's verbose and uninsightful responses like that?)

Re: I'm Archiving Picocrypt

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Post by nektro »

> quits dev due to frustration at LLM adoption

> new career path is LLM research

what?? how do you square that circle. deciding to go contribute to the very thing that steered your path off course

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