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Re: Try the Mosquito Bucket of Death

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No one is going to rant about how their HOA is pretty OK. My building has an HOA, and the worst I can say about is that's it's pretty boring.

There's a vast difference between the HOA for a building, and one for a suburban neighborhood.

My suburban neighborhood has an HOA and it's fine. Most of what they do is take care of the community swimming pools, sports fields, dog park, tennis courts, and landscaping and signage along the roads.

Re: Try the Mosquito Bucket of Death

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post #59

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I agree in the sense that if everyone did their part, the outcome would be meaningful. This is not to say that traps don’t make your house more livable. Once, I lived in a house connected to a forest in Brazil—no real neighbors, and a shitload of mosquitoes. I did buy some fancy traps with UV lights and fans, and oh boy, I killed a shitload of them. Not to say I fully solved the mosquito problem, but I significantly…

The UV light traps attract all sorts of insects that aren't female mosquitos looking for a blood meal. They can catch mosquitos too, but probably not super well. A trap focusing on the scents they follow from humans would do more with less collateral damage.

CO2 traps (using CO2 tank, yeast, decaying plant matter) are effective at attracting mosquitos but not other bugs (from experience)

Re: Try the Mosquito Bucket of Death

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post #106

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Very cool where can I get on?

I have seen a similar thing at https://us.biogents.com/ Haven't used it so I can't comment on its effectiveness

My in-laws use a system like this, maybe the same one. It uses a CO2 tank rather than burning propane. He runs it 24/7 and he needs to refill the CO2 tank every 1-2 weeks iirc so it's definitely more expensive to run than the death bucket. I think it's a 20 pound tank like you'd see on a homebrew keg system. When he showed it to me, it had caught an absolutely nightmarish number of mosquitoes over the course of a couple days. Like maybe half a liter to a liter in volume squirming around in the net. It made me queasy honestly. I didn't notice anything like bees or butterflies in the trap but I didn't look very closely.

Re: Try the Mosquito Bucket of Death

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We have pantry moths in the house (came in from the bird food)...is there anything similar for them? We use pheremone traps, but that's pretty late in the lifecycle and not 100%

Kill kill kill and discard grains. We have taken to freezing all grains that come in (flour, rice, bird seed) for at least a week before releasing it into the pantry.

Re: Try the Mosquito Bucket of Death

#145
These are a form of ovitrap: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovitrap

There are many forms that require even less investment. I made some out of some plastic water bottles and a few pairs of old socks, for example.

There are also lethal ovitraps, which kills the mosquito, but I havent experimented with those.

Re: Try the Mosquito Bucket of Death

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post #116

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Property taxes basically never pay for privately owned things, be that landscaping in common spaces, maintenance of private neighborhood roads, etc.

The alternative is public space and public roads.

These don't work because suburbs are a ponzi scheme that is collapsing.

People are grudgingly willing to pay to put in a brand new sewer once. No one wants to fund maintenance or pay millions to replace it in 60 years and cities are literally going bankrupt because the population density isn't enough to maintain the infrastructure.

Cities realized this decades ago which is why many are reluctant to add more unsustainable public roads/sewers/etc. and insist new development owns and funds them privately....which tends to require a HOA to fund maintenance from communal contributions/reserves.

https://www.theatlantic.com/books/archive/2024/01/benjamin-h...

Re: Try the Mosquito Bucket of Death

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How quickly would the local population of mosquitos adapt to the MosquitoDunks, such that within a few generations, the only surviving ones would be the ones that are unaffected by the dunks? Or is that not a real concern?

I wonder… I don’t know much biology, but is there a general principle where things that have a shorter reproductive cycle tend to “win” these sorts of arms races? I wonder if we will have to occasionally go out and find better copies of the bacteria, haha.

The arms race might not even be realistically winnable for the mosquito. Most of the time when we talk about resistance it’s to a single molecule or evolutionary adaptation. That mosquitos have not developed a resistance after decades of heavy use (we’ve been using Bt as a pesticide since the 1920s and its the most used pesticide today) implies that the Bacillus thuringiensis used in the dunks/bits is attacking the larvae with multiple different mechanisms of action.

When that happens, natural selection almost always fails to develop a resistance because a resistant organism needs to have a defense against every mechanism of action at the same time. The probability of two beneficial mutations lining up perfectly to create that resistant organism are just extremely unlikely. That’s the basis for modern oncology, which uses combination therapy to prevent tumors from growing resistant to any one drug.

Edit: yep I was right. Against mosquito larvae, Bt produces multiple Cry toxins that bind to specific protein receptors in the microvilli of midgut epithelial cells and Cyt toxins that directly interact with membrane lipids [1]. It’s a triple whammy because there’s six major toxins (Cry4Aa, Cry4Ba, Cry11Aa, Cyt1Aa, Cry10Aa, and Cyt2Ba), Cyt1Aa creates more binding sites for the Cry toxins to attack the cell, and Cyt1Aa itself has two mechanisms of action, one of which disassembles the cell membrane, leading to cell death. That is an incredibly difficult evolutionary hole for an organism to dig itself out of.

[1] https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.0505494102

Re: Try the Mosquito Bucket of Death

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Every time I have read science guys about things that you can do to kill mosquitos there is an analogy to putting a drain in the ocean. You can kill mosquitos at a fantastic rate but, unless you are also killing them in all your neighbor's yards for a mile around, they are just going to keep coming as fast as they die.

I've been using a 20 lb CO2 tank to bait mosquitos into an enclosure with a fan which provides gentle suction, with a fair amount of success. This method does reduce numbers from areas that are not under your control, but the "dunks" are probably still the cheapest easiest treatment for local buggers
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